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  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 8:40 a.m.

    NV:
    "...you'd finally realized that cougar fans' trash talk was as I'd been saying all along: "frantic and emotional". Ute fans' on the other hand had gravitas".

    Nope, not what I was saying. Let me fix it for you: "you'd finally realized that (C)ougar fans' (and Ute fans') trash talk was..."frantic and emotional" (especially on these comment boards). (The majority of Ute and Cougar) fans' (sic) on the other hand had gravitas".

    And "I've seen enough of your comments on these boards", NV, to know that you've had anything but gravitas. Accept my peace offering and the fact it is sincere and that because I recognize that my Crimson Club friend is the rule and not the exception at Utah, I can turn the page and support a great athletic and academic institution. Now that would take gravitas, and here's your chance to actually prove you have it.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Feb. 17, 2017 7:24 a.m.

    @Nevadacoog........."Despite Utah having a slight edge in the head-to-head"

    Slight edge? LOL

    If the mighty cougies won every single year from now until the year 2042 they would only then pull even. If that's what you consider a slight head to head edge it's laughable.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 17, 2017 6:28 a.m.

    Let's be honest. BYU has never been able to recruit at the same projected talent level that the bigger schools have. Yet they have somehow been able to compete favorably with the big boys nationally. That won't change.

    Since going to the Pac and having some success Utah has been able to expand its recruiting pool. I cant imagine a day that BYU's projected draft class will ever surpass Utah's unless we get in to a P5.

    But, Utah for the last 6 years has been overwhelmingly out recruited by the majority of the Pac and still been able to compete. If only stars matter, then why should Utah even play their Pac schedule. They should never have been able to beat USC and UCLA this year. Yet they did.

    BYU's last 4 draft classes rated behind Arizona, Utah, UCLA, WV, Michigan State. Yet they went 2-3 with all three losses decided by less then a score and 2 decided by the last play of the game. If only stars mattered they should have been 0-5 and blown out in every game.

    There is more to college football than just stars.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:02 p.m.

    talkinsports:

    "Only a hater would read those quotes and conclude that ESPN isn't seriously considering extending and renewing their contract with BYU."

    Nope. Only a "frantic and emotional coug" would conclude ANYTHING along the lines of contract renewals on account of the quote that Jello provided. And especially when ESPN refused to even commit to the 2019 option of their existing contract. Think about it: if ESPN ever regretted their contract with the Y, did you honestly think they'd say that to the press? No. They wouldn't. They would still smile, and put a positive spin on it.

    "The truth is, if those exact same things had been said about any other program in the country two years ahead of talks to continue a similar partnership, you would have concluded that a continued partnership between that program and ESPN was all but certain."

    Nope. The truth is, you just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:00 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs:

    I guess that for me, it's just "very suspicious"/"extremely convenient" that your change of heart didn't occur until AFTER you'd had your epiphany that Utah had surpassed the Y, and you'd finally realized that cougar fans' trash talk was as I'd been saying all along: "frantic and emotional". Ute fans' on the other hand had gravitas.

    DeepBlue:

    Nope. I had it right the first time. Y fans HAD been claiming -- for years -- that stars don't matter. And furthermore, Road Runner had NOT given a couple of concrete examples proving that stars aren't the only thing that matters. He gave only ONE example. Just one! And when one example is all you've got, that doesn't refute my position. It PROVES it. Because if it didn't matter, than there would have been just as many "2-star" names on that list as "3- or 4-star" names. And you KNOW it!

    #StarsMatter

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:18 p.m.

    NavelVet

    "For years, Y fans have been claiming that "stars don't matter"."

    Nope. For years, Y fans have been claiming that stars aren't the only thing that matters.

    "Road Runner responded later at 2:03 pm with a cherry picked list of 2 unrated recruits, and a single 2-star recruit, in a sad attempt to disprove my "stars do matter" position."

    Nope. Road Runner gave a couple of concrete examples that proved that stars aren't the only thing that matters.

    "My 4:24 response was about how Road Runner's response was irrelevant to the discussion. Just look at my last comment."

    Nope. Your response was just, another in a long history of claims that anything that disproves your personally biased narrative is irrelevant.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 5:46 p.m.

    NV:
    "I’ve seen enough of your comments to know that you are in no position to chastise others...once coming to the conclusion that you’re NOT, then all of a sudden, “trash talk” is considered “old”"

    I didn't see it as chastisement...yet you took it that way. I said doesn't it get old. Yep, it is, and I'll own the fact I've engaged in it. See my change of heart came while having a great conversation with a friend of mine in the Crimson Club. He invited me to attend their annual banquet so I could see how I would be treated by them when they knew I was a Y fan. His words, "you'll be surprised how you're treated after they know". He said this because he recognized, as I have accepted now, that some Ute fans (along with Y fans including myself) on these boards with their vitriol are NOT what Utah (or BYU) represents. Therefore, I'm turning the page and choosing to cheer for a school that represents the State I call home. I can be an adult and own my prejudice, much of which has been fostered reading the comments on these boards. Maybe I should invite you to the Cougar Club so you can own yours.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 16, 2017 4:38 p.m.

    Most byu fans say that byu should have gone for the extra point and tie rather than go for the 2 point conversion. However, we all know that hindsight is 20-19.

    Go Utes!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2017 4:28 p.m.

    Truth Machine:

    "Just look at my last comment. That was me being 'on track' to the discussion: that being 'stars matter'." -- Naval Vet

    Whoops! Typo. What I meant to say was "Just look at my last paragraph in that comment. That was me being 'on track' to the discussion: that being 'stars matter'."

    That correction should make more sense.

    And FWIW, my last "paragraph in that" comment was this:

    "And I guarantee that the percentages of 0- to 2-star players making into the NFL will be far lower than the percentages of 3- to 4-star players who do so likewise, and that the number of players who never play a down in the NFL will be far higher amongst the 0- to 2-star crowd than for the 3- to 4-star folks."

    See? It's about "stars" and how they "matter".

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2017 3:43 p.m.

    Truth Machine:

    "It's hysterical that a member of the 2nd most rival-obsessed fanbase in the country claims that U don't measure your success vs. the Y...You're barely able compose a comment without making some sort of comparison to BYU."

    Uh...just because the content of a comment has both Utes and cougars in it, that doesn't make it a "comparison". You took that out of context. Here's the context...

    (1) For years, Y fans have been claiming that "stars don't matter". Ute fans claim that they do. My comment 12:09 pm comment yesterday was more evidence supporting that "stars DO matter". The only comparison made there was (a) the number of stars a recruit has vs. (b) the success rate of said recruit.

    (2) Road Runner responded later at 2:03 pm with a cherry picked list of 2 unrated recruits, and a single 2-star recruit, in a sad attempt to disprove my "stars do matter" position.

    (3) My 4:24 response was about how Road Runner's response was irrelevant to the discussion. Just look at my last comment. That was me being "on track" to the discussion: that being "stars matter".

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Feb. 16, 2017 2:49 p.m.

    In all sincerity, Utah is to be commended for sending 8 players to the NFL combine. That says that they recruit well and develop players well.

  • DesperadoUte Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 2:10 p.m.

    TruthMachine said, "The truth is, Utah fans have made more Utah comparisons to BYU in the last 7 years, than they've made to all of the programs in the PAC 12 COMBINED!"

    Think about what you're saying here. Of course we comment a ton about BYU and Utah because this is the Deseret News! Of course, BYU and the DN have a mutual parent company (wink, wink). The DN writing staff are BYU-subject heavy writers. Ute fans come here and try to keep things balanced. Going over to the "dark side" with the anti-Mormon sentiment expressed at the other paper in town is something that many of us can't tolerate.....especially with a lot of us Ute fans being LDS.

    Sure, we discuss our games with our PAC-12 members, but even when we do, ultimately some BYU fan has to chime in with nonsensical drivel about how BYU is better or that the PAC-12 is "over-rated" or some other "bottom dweller" comment or quip, and then give us a 30-year history lesson. And when we obviously do have recognition or an accomplishment, Y fans attempt to diminish it or dismiss it. Real good sportsmanship, Y fans. This article is a prime example. 8 Utes vs. 2 Cougars.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Feb. 16, 2017 1:31 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    LOL at your frantic and emotional attempt to claim that ESPN has no interest in extending or renewing their contract with BYU.

    Obviously, Jello's quote that ESPN is thrilled with the relationship they have with BYU, and that, while it's much to early to say if ESPN will exercise its option it has to extend its deal with BYU through 2019, ESPN loves working with BYU, because BYU has been nothing but outstanding.

    Only a hater would read those quotes and conclude that ESPN isn't seriously considering extending and renewing their contract with BYU.

    The truth is, if those exact same things had been said about any other program in the country two years ahead of talks to continue a similar partnership, you would have concluded that a continued partnership between that program and ESPN was all but certain.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Feb. 16, 2017 1:19 p.m.

    Naval, the "gap" only existed in your own mind. Despite Utah having a slight edge in the head-to-head, BYU still often finished ahead of them while facing the same competition. Utah caught up. There was no gap. Not until the move to the Pac-12.

    I would argue that last year proved BYU has closed the gap, but I'm honest enough to concede it will take a few more years to prove it. One year isn't a trend.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:57 p.m.

    Naval Vet - Feb. 16, 2017 11:46 a.m.

    Swoop: "We don't measure our success vs. the Y."

    Naval Vet - Feb. 15, 2017 4:24 p.m.

    Road Runner: "...keep in mind that (1) Utah has a lot better track record at coaching players up than the Y does, and (2) just because a Utah 2-star kid played his way into the NFL, that doesn’t mean that a Cougar 2-star kid will likewise."

    It's hysterical that a member of the 2nd most rival-obsessed fanbase in the country claims that U don't measure your success vs. the Y.

    You're barely able compose a comment without making some sort of comparison to BYU.

    The truth is, Utah fans have made more Utah comparisons to BYU in the last 7 years, than they've made to all of the programs in the PAC 12 COMBINED!

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:51 p.m.

    My dad can beat up your dad.

    There. I just summarized every comment section of every article.

    Good luck to the 11 guys invited to the combine.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:34 p.m.

    Jello is Good:

    You said, "ESPN has been quoted as saying...they intend to continue, or renew" the contract they have with with the Y.

    I responded by stating, "never had I ever heard ESPN committing to 'renew' your contract", and specifically asked you, "What have you to substantiate that claim?"

    That quote you left said nothing at all about any contract renewals. In fact, that quote specifically stated that, "...it's much to early to say if ESPN will exercise its option it has to extend its deal...through 2019". If they couldn't have even committed to exercising that 2019 option that's already in their existing deal, how could they have possibly been "quoted" as saying, "they intend to continue or renew" a NEW deal?

    So is THAT why you told me to not bother replying? You didn't want me to gloat over having proven that you had in fact made that up, and feared I'd point out "how frantic and emotional" that made you look?

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:29 p.m.

    The LDS church has never come out saying that if you have a chance to play professional sports you should turn it down because you would have to play on Sundays. They have discussed the importance of the Sabbath Day and have left the specifics of Sabbath activities between the individual and God. I can think of no BYU graduates that were drafted in the first four rounds that did not go to camp because they might make the team causing them to play on Sundays.

    I have, however, known several BYU players who were a long shot and decided that it was better to move on with their lives rather than chase the dream.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:17 p.m.

    Striker

    "I've heard plenty of stories of players who chose to not pursue a NFL career but were courted by scouts. The stories are a plenty"
    -----------
    Sounds similar to how I "chose" to play church-ball rather than play for my high school basketball team.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2017 12:07 p.m.

    NevadaCoug:

    "Why start in 1993? Is it because it just happened to be the first of the two 34-31 finishes that favored Utah? Seems kind of disingenuous. Why that year? What is your "change factor" that separates that year from earlier?"

    The "change factor" was Ron McBride. McBride had inherited a program that had only had 5 winning seasons in the previous 16, and had not posted a winning season in league play since '85. In '91, his second season, he posted a 7–5 record. A year later -- 1993 -- with HIS recruits finally replacing Fassel's the rivalry favored Utah. McBride would then go on to win 5 of 9 (.556) over the remainder of the Edwards era. Having already advanced the rivalry and recruiting edge by the end of the Edwards era, Utah went on to expand THAT trend in the "post-Edwards era" by winning 6 of the next 10 (.600).

    And THEN came the Pac-12 era -- where Utah had won every game over the past 6 seasons. That was the "widen[ing]" of the gap that'd already existed that I'd mentioned in my earlier post.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:52 a.m.

    @Nasal Drip

    "No question we are thrilled with the relationship we have with BYU." - ESPN "And, while it's much to early to say if ESPN will exercise its option it has to extend its deal with BYU through 2019, ......."We love working with them," Ben-Hanan said. "They've been nothing but outstanding." Trib 4/28/15

    Don't bother replying. It will just seem frantic and emotional.

  • The Moose Kanab, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:46 a.m.

    Striker: The only player who did not choose the NFL was Eli Herring. The others are just stories of people who said they chose not to go. They also chose not to go because they didn't get drafted, invited to tryouts, or make the team. It's like I chose not to play pro basketball after my college career because of the Sunday play....or was it because I didn't make a team.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:46 a.m.

    Swoop:

    We don't measure our success vs. the Y. It's the cougar fans who are always measuring themselves to us. When Utah fans lord our P5 membership over you, it isn't because we're measuring ourselves against you. It's because we're demonstrating the distance we've traveled FROM you, while you're all trying to say that we're all really about at the same level. We DID leave you in the dust. You all evidently just need to be daily reminded about that. Otherwise, you all seem to forget. That's all.

  • DesperadoUte Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:43 a.m.

    Swoop said, "BYU is still the metric by which the Utes measure their success."

    Oh please......That my blue and red friends, is pure, unadulterated nonsense. Why would we measure success by using BYU as a metric? What reasons or evidence can you provide that illustrates your point? Is it just your opinion, or that we're measuring success by using BYU as a metric because you say so?

    Ute fans.....which of you measures our success by using BYU metric? (Crickets)

    Swoop....let me ask you.....what does BYU use as a metric to measure it's success?

    For the umpteenth time.....we've moved on. Our team is measured as a member of a P5 Conference and the won/loss column. The fact that the Utes are ranked in the Top 25 of both the CFP and AP Polls is a good measure for it's success. As as BYU isn't in either of those, that's not a very metric to use.....

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:42 a.m.

    @DesperadoUte - Salt Lake, UT

    I appreciate the comment and agree with much of it, however when it comes to the BYU/Utah series, it is still extremely competitive. If that changes over the next few years in a way that gives BYU no real shot then so be it. As for now, Utah won by 1 point. They are better, but not by much. Cant wait for September 9.

    Per the current pre-season rankings (for what they are worth) Utah will be BYU's 4th toughest opponent.

  • Former Coach Payson, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:41 a.m.

    @ Anyone referring to Sagarin Rating:

    Perhaps I read the rating wrong. I do understand that this is a source for BYU fans to validate their points. Could one of you please explain to me how Michigan is 3rd in the final poll. Didn't Michigan lose to Ohio State and Florida State to end the year. How can they be ranked ahead of either of these teams. Louisvilles loses to Houston, Houston loses to San Diego State, both games at the end of the year. How can Louisville be ranked higher? If I'm reading the final poll correctly, Ohio State and Florida State both had higher SOS than Michigan. Could someone explain this to me? If not, the Sagarin system just does not cut it.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:40 a.m.

    NevadaCoug:

    "Why start in 1993? Is it because it just happened to be the first of the two 34-31 finishes that favored Utah? Seems kind of disingenuous. Why that year? What is your "change factor" that separates that year from earlier?"

    The "change factor" was Ron McBride. McBride had inherited a program that had only had 5 winning seasons in the previous 16, and had not posted a winning season in league play since '85. In '91, his second season, he posted a 7–5 record. A year later -- 1993 -- with HIS recruits finally replacing Fassel's the rivalry favored Utah. McBride would then go on to win 5 of 9 (.556) over the remainder of the Edwards era. Having already advanced the rivalry and recruiting edge by the end of the Edwards era, Utah went on to expand THAT trend in the "post-Edwards era" by winning 6 of the next 10 (.600).

    And THEN came the Pac-12 era -- where Utah had won every game over the past 6 seasons. That was the "widening" of the gap that'd already existed that I'd mentioned in my earlier post.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:24 a.m.

    Striker:

    "In the 20 years I've followed BYU football, I've heard plenty of stories of players who chose to not pursue a NFL career but were courted by scouts."

    There's a huge difference between "hearing plenty of stories", and actually naming the athletes who'd declined an NFL contract. The latter can be held up to scrutiny. The former cannot. I knew about Eli Herring. THAT had been substantiated. Yet you claimed that there had been "plenty". Did you just make that up? Or had you just repeated a tale that somebody ELSE just made up, and neglected to verify it? Or had you read about it in the DNews? ESPN? Sports Illustrated? You said "plenty", so I want to see "plenty" of names and substantiating documentation.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:15 a.m.

    Truth Machine:

    “…what evidence do you have that ESPN won’t renew BYU’s contract.”

    What evidence do I have? Me? No, no, no, no little bro! It’s “what evidence does Jello is Good have?” He’s the one who’d claimed that “ESPN has been quoted as saying…they intend to continue or renew.” All I’m saying is that (1) I’d never heard ESPN ever say that, and (2) I don’t believe Jello had either. I’m saying he made that up. And my evidence that he’d made that up is…

    …nobody can cite a single ESPN executive claiming they’re intending to renew the contract.

    Make no mistake here – the burden of proof is on Jello is Good. Not me.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:02 a.m.

    Oh Really?

    Utah is in a better situation as a member of a P5 conference - much more revenue, much more exposure, much easier recruiting, much easier scheduling - yet Utah fans continue to whine about how hard it is to play a P5 schedule.

    If Utah has all of the advantages of being in a P5 conference and is on equal footing with their conference mates, then playing a P5 schedule shouldn't be that difficult.

    In fact, it's no different than being in the MWC and playing a MWC schedule.

    What's really interesting with Utah fans is that despite all of their false claims of leaving BYU in their dust in 2010, BYU is still the metric by which the Utes measure their success.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:02 a.m.

    A lot of Utes heading to the combine and probably the next level. I too don't understand why Dimmick was slighted? With all of this talent leaving; it's time for Utah to reload, no rebuild. Go Utes.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Feb. 16, 2017 11:00 a.m.

    Re: Oh Really?

    We'll just have to agree to disagree about the recruiting effect of the Honor Code at BYU. I would never suggest that BYU eliminate the Honor Code, but I think it can be toned down somewhat. Let's face it - BYU isn't for everybody and that's fine. No need to sell the institutional soul for football wins - Baylor is evidence of that.

  • Oh Really? HERRIMAN, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:37 a.m.

    @65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, ID

    "Y fans will never concede for the most part that Utah has a better situation than their team"

    I will. Utah is in a far better situation than BYU. Utah is in a P-5 conference and doesn't have to deal with the Honor Code and the missionary merry-go-round (at least not as much.) That's not meant as a diss on the Honor Code, but the Honor Code does keep many good athletes away from BYU."

    I, too, agree that being in a P-5 league is superior. It is that lack of affiliation, not the Honor Code, that hinders BYU's recruitment. If BYU were in a P-5 league, many LDS players that choose P-5 schools (including Utah) would prefer BYU, and BYU would also land more and better non-LDS athletes. Jamaal Williams is an example of a non-LDS athlete who is at BYU BECAUSE of the Honor Code, not in spite of it. You think there aren't mothers and fathers who would prefer BYU over the Baylors of the world? You can bet there are.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:36 a.m.

    "History shows that Utah surpassed the Y back in 1993."

    Why start in 1993? Is it because it just happened to be the first of the two 34-31 finishes that favored Utah? Seems kind of disingenuous. Why that year? What is your "change factor" that separates that year from earlier?

    I'm not going to argue that Utah is a better team now. However, they were not a better team throughout the last two decades. I will concede that Utah caught up to BYU starting about 1993. The games between the two teams were mostly competitive throughout the90s and 00s, with a few blowouts here and there. Utah was the better team during the Crowton years. However, I think that Mendenhall brought the team back to the same level as Utah, so they were again on an even footing in the second half of the last decade, up until the split from the MWC.

    But, yes, since the move to the Pac-12 Utah has been better.

    (And don't start talking individual years like 2004 and 2008. I'm talking about the performances of the teams over the entire two decade period.)

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:26 a.m.

    "The only thing BYU has lacked as an Independent is a break-through 11+ win season,

    which is coming.

    BYU wasn't that far off in 2016."

    BlueCoug,

    byu was eliminated from having an 11+ win season 3 games into the season. Wasn't far off?

  • DesperadoUte Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:24 a.m.

    BlueCoug....never once have I mentioned Independence vs. MWC for BYU. Frankly, I could care less. You need to recognize however that even though BYU might be considered "P5 quality"....in terms of the CFP playoff, they are not considered a P5 team. That distinction goes to Independent Notre Dame, not BYU. But as long as you've brought up the MWC.....wouldn't it be a better selling point for BYU to have a conference affiliation vs. Independence? Your players can never be an "all-conference" player.....and when tying to get into the NFL, wouldn't an affiliation with a conference and having that on a player's resume be a good selling point? Being "all-Independent" doesn't really make a lot of sense.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:23 a.m.

    "Striker, do you honestly believe that if you took a poll of byu's football team of whether or not they would go to the NFL if they had the opportunity, that "most" of their players would say no?

    I would venture to say that zero players would say no.

    Please, answer the question honestly."

    KH,
    There is a huge difference between saying you'd play if you had the opportunity versus taking the opportunity. How many people get job offers but then say no because it's not what is best for the family etc.? These stories are everywhere.
    With BYU, it's the same. In the 20 years I've followed BYU football, I've heard plenty of stories of players who chose to not pursue a NFL career but were courted by scouts. The stories are a plenty, but I haven't heard many lately, probably due to me moving from the state. Pres. Monson has told such stories. I have seen clips of them on BYU TV. People can choose to not believe it, but it's a fact that many BYU players choose to not pursue the NFL.

    Believe it or not, people do still hold fast to their religious convictions, and at BYU, it's much higher than you'd like to believe.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 10:23 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    "First of all, your contract with ESPN isn’t for 3 more years. It’s for TWO…..with the OPTION for a third.

    Second, never had I ever heard ESPN committing to “renew” your contract. That sounded made up. What have you to substantiate that claim? "

    Other than your BYU hatred, what evidence do you have that ESPN won' renew BYU's contract.

    BYU NEVER announces such things until they're a done deal.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:56 a.m.

    DesperadoUte

    Despite the denials from the hill, there are plenty of things about Independence that are superior to being in the MWC - better television contract, more flexibility in scheduling big name opponents, being considered a P5-level opponent.

    BYU's revenue as an Independent is far superior to what BYU ever received in the MWC.

    Even BYU's October and November scheduling is improving.

    The only thing BYU has lacked as an Independent is a break-through 11+ win season,

    which is coming.

    BYU wasn't that far off in 2016.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:45 a.m.

    "LDS players if drafted will play on Sunday's. Give me an example of one player that didn't. "

    Eli Herring

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:43 a.m.

    Jello:

    “Going on our sixth year with 3 more under contract with ESPN and making 3 to 5 times the TV money as the MWC. ESPN has been quoted as saying they are more than pleased with the arrangement and they intend to continue, or renew.”

    First of all, your contract with ESPN isn’t for 3 more years. It’s for TWO…..with the OPTION for a third.

    Second, never had I ever heard ESPN committing to “renew” your contract. That sounded made up. What have you to substantiate that claim? And don’t even think about coming back here with some justification about what “everybody knows”. I want the title of the article that reported that, including the author, the publication, and the date. Substantiations emanating from fact-free fan boy sites such as cougarboard, DeepShadesofBlue, VanquishTheFoe, et al will not be accepted, as they are not "real" news.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:41 a.m.

    Re: Desperado Ute
    "Y fans will never concede for the most part that Utah has a better situation than their team"

    I will. Utah is in a far better situation than BYU. Utah is in a P-5 conference and doesn't have to deal with the Honor Code and the missionary merry-go-round (at least not as much.) That's not meant as a diss on the Honor Code, but the Honor Code does keep many good athletes away from BYU. That's just the way it is. I'm not a big fan of the Indie thing and never have been. I hate how BYU is forced to play its toughest games in September and October and its easiest games in November. However, I don't see that situation changing anytime soon, so BYU fans will just have to live with it. It is what it is.

  • DesperadoUte Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    Jello brings up some good points about the sustainability of current BYU football. However, I would wish that we as fans from both schools can recognize that BYU and Utah are not in the same league or situation any longer. Y fans will never concede for the most part that Utah has a better situation than their team, i.e. P5 Conference membership, national ranking, playing 9 P5 teams a year, as opposed to their playing 4-6....not to mention our scheduling is completely different. BYU has their difficult schedule the first month of play, but into October all of the P5 schools that could raise awareness for BYU in October and November are steep into their P5 Conference schedules, and won't be playing BYU. And BYU has to resort to playing "cupcakes." Ultimately, their SOS will never match Utah's because of those reasons. I'm as guilty as the next fan for escalating the back and forth....but in all reality....I recognize it's not an apples to apples comparison. And that's not coming from a position of arrogance. It's just factual. And Y fans who insist on comparing are delusional and locked in a blue bubble. We're DIFFERENT.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2017 9:04 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs:

    “Doesn’t it ever get old for some of you…talking trash…I realized something…the other day. I'm a BYU fan, but to my fellow Cougs it's time to admit that Utah has surpassed BYU, much the result of landing in a P5 conference.”

    I’ve seen enough of your comments to know that you are in no position to chastise others for trash talking on news threads. It would appear that for you, it’s okay to talk trash about your opponent, so long as you feel you’re superior to them, but once coming to the conclusion that you’re NOT, then all of a sudden, “trash talk” is considered “old”.

    Sounds hypocritical to me.

    BTW: While it’s good that you finally recognized that Utah is the big boy on the block in this state, it wasn’t due to landing in the P5. History shows that Utah surpassed the Y back in 1993. That was 18-yrs prior to moving to the Pac-12, and 16-yrs prior to anybody even imagining that we would. All that the P5 did, was widen the gap that already existed in the first place.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:20 a.m.

    @Y Ask Y - Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:05 a.m.

    "No matter how you slice it, Independence has been bad for BYU. It is not sustainable!"

    So how many years does BYU need to continue playing D1 football, make more money than they did in the MWC and play on the aggregate superior talent and win and go to bowl games for a person to concede that independence is, in fact, sustainable?

    Going on our sixth year with 3 more under contract with ESPN and making 3 to 5 times the TV money as the MWC. ESPN has been quoted as saying they are more than pleased with the arrangement and they intend to continue, or renew.

    Would I rather that BYU was in a P5 conference? Yes!

    Would I go back to the MWC? Never!

    The "Unsustainable" comment was made in the first couple of years of independence. Since then BYU has more than been able to make it work. Holmoe's most recent comment is that it is in fact sustainable.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 8:01 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs - How rational and classy of you. Cheers my friend!

    Go Utes and Cougars!

  • Y Ask Y Provo, UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 7:05 a.m.

    No matter how you slice it, Independence has been bad for BYU. It is not sustainable!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Feb. 16, 2017 6:29 a.m.

    Doesn't it ever get old for some of you...this is a DN comment board, not a football field, so talking trash in here is kind of akin to talking trash about which Marvel Comic hero is better, Ironman, or Captain America.

    I realized something while thinking about this the other day. I'm a BYU fan, but to my fellow Cougs it's time to admit that Utah has surpassed BYU, much the result of landing in a P5 conference. Unless, and until BYU lands in such a conference the gap will continue to widen.

    But here was the real epiphany: I grew up in Utah and have lived in Utah for the majority of my life other than my somewhat long stint living near the ATL, and the University of Utah represents MY state...the one I call home. Is it possible, now that Utah is in a different conference, to cheer for them and be a fan for them too? Yes, it is...no reason to hate anymore. And no reason to listen to some of the obsessed Utes on this board, anymore than the obsessed Y fans on this board, that actually think BYU was better than Utah this year (they weren't, not by ranking or eye test). Cheer for both...they're great programs led by great coaches.

    Go Cougs! Go Utes!

  • Jello is Good ,
    Feb. 16, 2017 4:41 a.m.

    Same old tired arguments.

    Utah beat BYU. They were better last year.

    Recruiting stars don't guarantee success in college and the pros but they are good indicators.

    Sometimes great college players are not even good pro candidates as it is a different game as to style, size and speed.

    LDS players if drafted will play on Sunday's. Give me an example of one player that didn't.

    As a Raven fan, I only care that they are on my team, not who they used to play for. I like Wesley and Steve Smith just as much as I like Pita and Kaufusi now. Where they went to college doesn't matter any more.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 16, 2017 4:23 a.m.

    And so it ends:

    "LOL at your inconsistency....Sagarin's SOS rankings are accurate, but his team rankings, which are the basis for his SOS rankings, are not?"

    What's so inconsistent about my position. Does the CFP, AP, Coaches, or ESPN Power poll produce SOS rankings? Because if not, then that means that Sagarin is the only poll from which to draw on. But that doesn't mean that their "team polls" are suddenly more accurate than the aforementioned 4 poll. And I'd already told you that during the preseason, Phil Steele's poll trumps Sagarin's as well. Sagarin is only valid "during" the season, since Phil Steele only updates his SOS once. And that's after the season is already over. And that update isn't even published until...

    ...his next preseason poll.

    So sadly for you, there was actually no "inconsistency" in my position whatsoever. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:36 p.m.

    Dimick? I am shocked that Heisman Hall wasn't invited, wasn't he supposed to go pro as Junior?

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:23 p.m.

    So it begins,
    Are you somehow implying that byu is better than Utah because they lost 4 games by 12 points rather than losing 4 games by 19 points? Really? This is your argument? Even though Utah beat byu head to head and performed better against the common opponents, UCLA and Arizona? Not to mention voters in the coaches poll, AP poll and CFP poll all thought Utah was better, as Utah was ranked in all the majority of the season and byu was never ranked. Do you really think byu was better? Or were you not implying that?

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 10:11 p.m.

    Eight Utes invited to the combine. Considering there are 11 offensive and 11 defensive players on the field those eight represents over one third that the Utes are losing from this team. (And if you count Hunter who was the PAC-12 defensive player of the year the loss would be over 40%! ) What chance will we have in Provo next season? I don't know but I like our chances! And if the Y can't win next year when will they?

  • Oh Really? HERRIMAN, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:40 p.m.

    A lot of bluster on here from people who've never graced a college football field, "P5" or otherwise.

    Why not just be happy for these young men -- regardless of school -- who have an opportunity few are afforded, and who can set their families up for life?

    Good luck to them all, and as for Dimick, as Watt rose from 2 star to the most dominant defender in years, I predict Dimick will make a roster. Motor matters.

    Williams will also get a chance. His kind of speed is rare.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:19 p.m.

    CG:

    No, don't kid YOURself. We've seen your "comebacks" alright. We saw you "come back" from a 7-0 deficit, overtaking us 10-7...

    ...in the 2nd-Qtr of the 2011 game.

    No fear.

    And we all saw your "comebacks" in 2012, 2013, and 2015 as well.

    No fear.

    As I stated before, it was the COUGAR fans who were all frenzied on that play. Not us.

    Do you know why the 2-min. drill is so successful at the end of the game, but not at any other part of it? It's because the Defense is playing more than just the "field". They're playing the "clock". The Offense on the other hand has nothing to lose, so they take more chances. The Defense KNOWS the Offense has nothing to lose, and that they'll take more chances, so they defend the "deep" ball. That leaves all the "underneath" routes more open. But as the Offense gets closer to the Endzone, that takes the deep ball out of the game. And your Offense already had a hard enough time throwing on us. That's why Hill tried to "run" on that play.

    Know how many yards he got on your 2-pt conversion? I do. He got ZERO!

    No fear.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 9:02 p.m.

    Coug fans... 6 turnovers and Utah still won. Enough said.

  • And so it begins... Sandy, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:28 p.m.

    navelvet

    "First of all, it wasn't a similar SOS. Ours wound up something like 15-spots higher than yours."

    LOL at your inconsistency.

    So,

    Sagarin's SOS rankings are accurate, but his team rankings, which are the basis for his SOS rankings, are not?

    Only a desperate Utah fan could figure out the logic behind that - must some sort of cold fusion thing.

    It's interesting that even with a #60 versus a #75 SOS difference, and the exact same 9-4 records, Sagarin still ranked #36 BYU ahead of #37 Utah.

    Must have been Utah's two ugly losses to #58 California and #77 Oregon versus BYU's lone ugly loss to #70 UCLA.

    --------------------

    BYU was 12 points shy of an undefeated season, losing 4 games by a total of 8 points, with no deficit greater than 3 points.

    Utah was 23 points shy of an undefeated season, losing 4 games by a total of 19 points, with three 5-point or greater deficits.

  • CG Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 8:08 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    " I don't know ANY Ute fan who was worried that you'd convert a 2-pt conversion, and especially not vs. OUR Defense."

    Don't kid yourself. Utah fans have seen enough BYU comebacks to know that ANYTHING is possible with BYU - Doman to Pittman, 4th and 18, Beck to Harline, Max to George.

    BYU had just marched 75 yards in less than 2 1/2 minutes against YOUR defense and was on the verge of taking the lead with 18 seconds left in the game.

    The entire stadium was in a frenzy, hoping and praying that the 2-point conversion would fail.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 15, 2017 6:57 p.m.

    midwacmajor:

    "Moral victory, or not, BYU still finished ahead of Utah in Sagarin, with the exact same record against a similar SOS."

    First of all, it wasn't a similar SOS. Ours wound up something like 15-spots higher than yours. So does that mean our SOS was pretty similar to South Carolina's? Since theirs was 15 spots ahead of ours. Let's put that to the test:

    If the Y's was similar to the U's, and the U's was similar to the Gamecocks, then the Y's SOS was similar to the Gamecocks too. Does that make sense to you? No? Then it's a fail.

    Second, Sagarin takes a back seat to the REAL polls out there: i.e. the CFP, the AP, and the Coaches. Additionally, the ESPN Power poll also stands ahead of Sagarin, and during the preseason polls, so too does Phil Steele.

    The bottom line is, it can't be defended that the Y was the better team.

    All the "real" polls rank the U ahead of the Y.

    Vs. common opponents, we went 4-0. You went 2-2. And you lost the head-to-head game.

    And Utah played the tougher SOS.

    All signs point to U > Y. Case closed.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 15, 2017 6:53 p.m.

    midpacmajor:

    Oh please. WE weren't the ones who were "panic stricken". That was YOU guys. I don't know ANY Ute fan who was worried that you'd convert a 2-pt conversion, and especially not vs. OUR Defense. In fact, I don't even know any Ute fans who can remember when was the last time your boys DID convert one. It certainly wasn't last year. You all went 0-for-4.

    No fear.

    And for what it's worth, we also don't fear it when our opponents attempt 50+ yd Field Goals against us either.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 15, 2017 6:33 p.m.

    midWACmajor:

    "Whether you want to admit it, or not, the recruiting services completely whiffed on evaluating Pitta's potential."

    Wrong. They didn't "whiff" it. If they'd have "whiffed" it, they would have rated him a 2-star recruit. They just never evaluated him.

    You need to realize that MOST recruits are evaluated at football camps. If Pitta doesn't go to those camps, it makes it harder for those rating services to even know who he is.

    Whether you want to admit it our not, those recruit rating services have a pretty good track record at evaluating recruits. And if they give a recruit only 2 stars, it means that they're not that great. Just barely good enough to earn a scholarship.

    Whether you want to admit it or not...

    ..."stars matter".

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 5:53 p.m.

    You're right midpacmajor, I was a little nervous on that two point conversion. But then Utah won. You're quoting sagarin over CFP poll and AP poll? Wow.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2017 5:08 p.m.

    KH

    Moral victory, or not, BYU still finished ahead of Utah in Sagarin, with the exact same record against a similar SOS.

    And, in the process, had every Utah fan panic stricken on BYU's two-point conversion...

    whether, or not, U want to live in denial, or admit it.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2017 4:52 p.m.

    navel vet

    "Pitta and Ziggy were never rated by the recruiting services, so we don’t really know what they would have been."

    Ziggy not being rated is understandable, but Pitta not being rated is a complete failure by the recruiting services.

    Pitta's scholastic record and on-field prowess landed him interest from Dartmouth and Yale, in addition to Navy, Oklahoma State, Oregon, and Utah. Yet because he was unrated among the 2003 recruits at either of his positions, none of the schools offered scholarships. Pitta decided to walk on under Gary Crowton at BYU, where he was soon moved to tight end to take advantage of his size.

    Whether you want to admit it, or not, the recruiting services completely whiffed on evaluating Pitta's potential.

    Our friends like to pretend that stars are the end all, be all, of evaluating talent, but the truth is, hundreds of potentially great players are completely missed every, single year.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 4:32 p.m.

    midpacmajor,

    "Utah could have very easily been 4-8, with losses to USC, BYU, California, Oregon, Washington Colorado, Oregon St, and UCLA. "

    And byu was a total of 7 points and an overtime away from going 5-7. See, it goes for both teams.

    "BYU was 12 points shy of an undefeated season."

    That sounds like a great moral victory for you. Do you think the AP poll or the CFP committee overlooked this? Surely byu would have been in the rankings if they were only 12 points away from being undefeated, right?

    "Four of Utah's wins were decided by a touchdown or less. Changing just a play or two in each game could have easily resulted in four more losses."

    If you actually watched the games, it tells a different story. UCLA and Oregon State both scored meaningless touchdowns very late in the game to make it appear close. Similarly, byu scored a meaningless touchdown against UCLA that made the game appear closer than it should have been.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 15, 2017 4:24 p.m.

    Road Runner:

    “Remind us how many stars Weddle, Pitta, and Ziggy received.”

    Pitta and Ziggy were never rated by the recruiting services, so we don’t really know what they would have been. There’s no point in arguing that a guy who had never been rated = 2-stars. That was a very poor position you took there.

    As for Weddle, he had 2. But keep in mind that (1) Utah has a lot better track record at coaching players up than the Y does, and (2) just because a Utah 2-star kid played his way into the NFL, that doesn’t mean that a cougar 2-star kid will likewise.

    “Guaranteed, there will be 0- to 2-star players in this year’s draft that actually make an NFL roster, and there will be 3- to 4-star players who will never play a single down in the NFL.”

    And I guarantee that the percentages of 0- to 2-star players making into the NFL will be far lower than the percentages of 3- to 4-star players who do so likewise, and that the number of players who never play a down in the NFL will be far higher amongst the 0- to 2-star crowd than for the 3- to 4-star folks.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 15, 2017 4:24 p.m.

    Striker:

    Tell what to Ziggy? Ziggy was never a 2-star recruit. We’re talking about 2-star kids ya know. And in order to earn ANY stars at all…

    …one must be rated! Ziggy wasn’t. Neither was Pitta.

    Fail.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Feb. 15, 2017 4:15 p.m.

    What's the deal with Dimick? All year long it was "Dimick this and Dimick that."

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 4:13 p.m.

    Why isn't Nacua on the list? The DNews told us at the beginning of the year that he was the best safety in the state while Marcus Williams is an All American and one of the top, if not the top, safety in the draft.

    Obviously, they were wrong again.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2017 4:05 p.m.

    DesperadoUte

    Utah could have very easily been 4-8, with losses to USC, BYU, California, Oregon, Washington Colorado, Oregon St, and UCLA.

    Four of Utah's wins were decided by a touchdown or less. Changing just a play or two in each game could have easily resulted in four more losses.

    It's not inconceivable that a team could lose all of its close games.

    BYU was 12 points shy of an undefeated season.

    How close were U?

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Feb. 15, 2017 3:51 p.m.

    navelvet

    "Stars" matter!

    Unrated and 2-star NFL players

    Quarterback
    Tony Romo, unrated

    Wide Receiver
    Victor Cruz, 2-star
    Jordy Nelson, 2-star

    Running back
    Chris Johnson, 2-star
    Alfred Morris, 2-star

    Offensive Tackle
    Joe Staley, 2-star
    Ryan Clady, 2-star

    Guard
    Josh Sitton, 2-star
    Mike Iupati, 2-star

    Center
    Alex Mack, 2-star

    Defensive End
    DeMarcus Ware, unrated
    J.J. Watt, 2-star

    Defensive Tackle
    B.J. Raji, 2-star
    Dontari Poe, 2-star

    Linebacker
    Bobby Wagner, 2-star
    Connor Barwin, 2-star
    Chad Greenway, unrated

    Cornerback
    Brent Grimes, unrated
    Aqib Talib, 2-star

    Safety
    Ed Reed, unrated
    Eric Weddle, 2-star

    Give Bill Belichick a year to mold that group of players into a team, and guaranteed, he'll win a Super Bowl against a team loaded with 4-stars.

    Bottom line:

    In 2016, there were 1,085,272 high school football players. It's impossible for the recruiting services to accurately rate each and every high school player. Because of injuries, being late bloomers, growth spurts, or playing for small schools, many players are missed entirely or grossly under-rated every year.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 3:32 p.m.

    "in LES U would have lost."

    Gandalph, is that another imaginary victory for byu? byu is undefeated in the games played in byu fan's heads. Too bad the real games don't turn out like that.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 3:30 p.m.

    "...no one can compare NFL anything to BYU versus other schools. BYU is sponsored by a church who values Sunday observance. This means most of the players will be of the faith and not have the desire to be in a Sunday playing league."

    Striker, do you honestly believe that if you took a poll of byu's football team of whether or not they would go to the NFL if they had the opportunity, that "most" of their players would say no?

    I would venture to say that zero players would say no.

    Please, answer the question honestly.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 3:26 p.m.

    Congratulations Utes, and good luck!

    8 players in the combine ties Utah with USC, Ohio State, Florida State, Florida, and Arkansas.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 15, 2017 3:18 p.m.

    FYI from a Ute fan:

    I am really looking forward to seeing what Jamaal can do in the NFL. I like him as a player, he just played for the wrong school IMO. There are a lot of questions about Jamaal, one of which is that he rarely had good rushing games against good defensive teams, Utah is one example. As a pure talent, I don't necessarily think that he is better than Joe. As a player with his head on straight, he is obviously well above Joe. By Joe "retiring", I think that NFL teams will have reservations about Joe even though he obviously has the talent.

    I will enjoy watching Jamaal in the NFL. I hope he gets on with a good team and does well. I am also rooting for Joe. If he truly wants to continue in football, I hope he makes a team. If not, he has his new family and a good degree to fall back on and will be just fine.

    Rivalry aside, I wish the best for all players listed in this article and will root for them to make the NFL. I am flabbergasted that Dimick is not on the list, but I'm sure the Mayor of Sack Lake City will get his shot.

    Onward!

    Go Utes!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 15, 2017 3:04 p.m.

    @Gandalph:

    "in LES U would have lost."

    If I was 6'10" I could play basketball.

    Face the fact that byu had 6 turnovers against Utah and still lost. That is the ONLY thing that matters - that and the fact that byu is 0-2 this decade at LES and 3-8 since 1992. History and reality do not support your hypothesis nor your hypotheticals.

    Go Utes!

    Loving that cougar spin daily!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 3:04 p.m.

    Striker

    "...no one can compare NFL anything to BYU versus other schools. BYU is sponsored by a church who values Sunday observance. This means most of the players will be of the faith and not have the desire to be in a Sunday playing league."
    --------
    Did you seriously just try to sell that? This has to be one of the funniest things I've ever read on these comment threads. Outside of Eli Herring there is no one who passed on the NFL because of playing on Sunday.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 3:00 p.m.

    deductive reasoning

    "Utah's individual talent is great. Unfortunately, they don't have the coaching to match their talent. How else do you explain why every team in the PAC South, including Colorado, has been able to win a division title, EXCEPT Utah? Tied with USC for the most players invited to the combine, yet U were incapable of beating California and Oregon."
    --------
    I'll bite. First of all most Ute fans would agree with you that Utah underachieved this past year. That said, Utah was two plays away from beating Cal and Oregon so it's not like Utah greatly underachieved. And yes they admittedly won a couple that way as well - BYU and USC. Bottom line though, when you look at player ratings going into college the argument quickly changes from Utah doesn't have the "coaches to match their talent" to Utah's coaches continue to lead the country in player development. With Utah's recruiting class rankings gradually improving I'm fairly confident that the illusive South division crown will come, hopefully that will be sooner vs later but nothing comes easy in a P5 conference. I wouldn't trade it though!

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:56 p.m.

    Good luck to all the players listed, regardless of school.

  • DesperadoUte Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:48 p.m.

    deductive reasoning - Yes, we ended up losing close games to both Cal and Oregon.....but we also won another close game against......BYU. And we also beat UCLA, whom your team lost to at LES, and we also beat Arizona by 13 who you guys beat barely by 2 points. So you can mock where Utah finished in the PAC-12....but keep in mind that if given a similar circumstance, BYU would have done infinitely worse. Again....6 in a row....CFP and AP Top 25 team the past 2 years. BYU? BYU = unranked, and riding a losing streak to the school on the hill.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:48 p.m.

    Snack PAC

    "...they insisted that Joe was soooo much better than Jamaal, that it wasn't even worth debating."
    -----------
    Chris B does not represent Utah fans, I doubt there was anyone outside of his/her multiple monikers that ever said "Joe was soooo much better than Jamaal." Regardless your original comment was "after all the hype from the hill about Joe Williams" not a comment making a comparison between Joe and Jamaal, there's a big difference. If we're comparing the two Williams' then it becomes a different conversation. I for one would likely draft Jamaal above Joe right now but there are pros and cons that come with both guys and I can understand if there are people out there that would "hype" Joe over Jamaal - really not that big of a stretch.

  • Minnesota Ute Bloomington, MN
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:35 p.m.

    @Gandalph - Sandy, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:52 p.m.

    Desperate Ute

    8 to 2, yet U were barely better by a single point on your home turf;

    in LES U would have lost.

    ...........................

    If, coulda, shoulda, woulda. Excuses. Wishful thinking.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:34 p.m.

    "Again we see why Utah is much superior to BYU. And the gap is widening.."

    Once again, no one can compare NFL anything to BYU versus other schools. BYU is sponsored by a church who values Sunday observance. This means most of the players will be of the faith and not have the desire to be in a Sunday playing league. Therefore, this nullifies any argument saying X school is ahead of BYU because of XYZ NFL related subjects. If anything, when numbers are close in comparison, the argument goes against the other school.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:19 p.m.

    Whoa....Stevie Tu’ikolovatu redshirted a year in 2009??? That's 8 yrs ago, how old is this guy? 30??? Sounds like an unfair advantage!

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:19 p.m.

    motorbike

    Utah's individual talent is great.

    Unfortunately, they don't have the coaching to match their talent.

    How else do you explain why every team in the PAC South, including Colorado, has been able to win a division title, EXCEPT Utah?

    Tied with USC for the most players invited to the combine, yet U were incapable of beating California and Oregon.

  • DesperadoUte Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:11 p.m.

    Gandalph.....much like your moniker name, that is a fantasy.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:10 p.m.

    motorbike

    "That's a hilarious comment considering there's been virtually no hype from Ute fans regarding Joe Williams and the NFL."

    That's not what Utah fans were spouting before the BYU-Utah game last season.

    In fact, they insisted that Joe was soooo much better than Jamaal, that it wasn't even worth debating.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:08 p.m.

    Again we see why Utah is much superior to byu-p. And the gap is widening..

    Nine players from Utah (including Stevie) and 2 from byu-p.
    Six in row...

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:06 p.m.

    Impressive list for Utah, but how on earth is Dimick not included??? I'm not sure how happy to be that so many Utes are included, especially compared w/BYU, or wonder that with all these NFL-caliber players they perhaps under-achieved as a team?

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:03 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    Remind us how many stars Weddle, Pitta, and Ziggy received.

    Guaranteed, there will 0- to 2-star players in this year's draft that actually make an NFL roster, and there will be 3- to 4-star players who will never play a single down in the NFL.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 15, 2017 2:03 p.m.

    I'm surprised Nakua didn't get an invite.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:52 p.m.

    Desperate Ute

    8 to 2, yet U were barely better by a single point on your home turf;

    in LES U would have lost.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:45 p.m.

    Snack PAC

    "After all of the hype from the hill about Joe Williams, it looks like Jamaal Williams is far more likely to have a career in the NFL."
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    That's a hilarious comment considering there's been virtually no hype from Ute fans regarding Joe Williams and the NFL. Yes Ute fans love Joe but even with his amazing stats post "comeback" I think most people realize he's not a shoe-in for making an NFL roster. I hope he does and I hope he sticks but it's certainly TBD. But by all means go back to making stuff up regarding which fans are hyping what.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:34 p.m.

    Naval pet,
    "Stars" matter!"

    Tell that to Ziggy Ansah. Had he listened to you... Well I'm glad he didn't.

  • DesperadoUte Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:07 p.m.

    8 invitees for Utes
    2 for Cougars

    Hmmmm......Let's see.....who has the best team in the State?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2017 1:02 p.m.

    The only thing that really matters is which players end up on an NFL roster.

    After all of the hype from the hill about Joe Williams, it looks like Jamaal Williams is far more likely to have a career in the NFL.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Feb. 15, 2017 12:09 p.m.

    Hey cougar fans...

    I just thought you might be interested to know that of those 11 athletes, only ONE of them had been awarded 2 stars: Joe Williams. And even THEN, his 2 stars were really more of a factor of his past legal issues while at UConn, rather than his playing abilities. Prior to arriving at UConn, he was originally awarded 3 stars.

    It's no coincidence. "Stars" matter!

  • red.diehard Central, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    @BYUalum

    'Langi and Williams beat all the competition.' I am not sure I understand that comment. Where is Nacua? No sucker punchers allowed in the NFL?

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:49 a.m.

    Congratulations to these athletes, their families, and their coaches! Good luck in the NFL.

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:43 a.m.

    Can't believe Hunter Dimick was not invited!

  • DesperadoUte Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:34 a.m.

    I can't believe Hunter Dimick is not included on this list of invitees. That's a crime!

    Congrats to the Utes who were invited....here's wishing you all the best.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:30 a.m.

    Langi and Williams beat all the competition. Outstanding players and representatives of BYU!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 15, 2017 11:19 a.m.

    Beyond the 8 Utes invited to the combine these are the other Utes that should get a good look from NFL teams;
    Dimick, Patrick, Hatfield, Thomas and Porter.
    That's 13 players from Utah with a legitimate shot at the next level, and that's without counting Stevie T who did the majority of his developing at the U prior to playing his last year at USC.
    It'll be interesting to see how many of these guys land on rosters. Good luck fellas! And that goes for guys from the other local programs as well!