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'Tongue-in-cheek' ad thanks Utah for passing .05 DUI law

National group send fictional thank-you card from tourism rival Colorado

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  • libertarian Cedar City, UT
    March 20, 2017 1:59 p.m.

    Another law to increase revenue. Pretty soon too much mouthwash and they take your money.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    March 20, 2017 7:24 a.m.

    This has nothing to do with those that drink. It has everything to do with those who drink and drive. Personally, I don't care if people get crocked somewhere as long as they aren't the ones driving home.

    Sign the law. It isn't going to hurt anyone except the irresponsible few who should get busted anyway.

  • shamrock Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2017 7:13 p.m.

    I don't really care what the standard is, as long as it's supported by scientific evidence. So far, I've seen almost no evidence that the average driver is impaired at 0.05 BAC. In other words, the new law seems more like a religiously motivated message bill than the establishment of a logical standard.

    I'd also like to point out the fallacy of saying that tourists don't come here to drink but to ski. Clearly our visitors come for a variety of reasons, but most non-Mormons are responsible drinkers who enjoy a drink with dinner, and they'll take their tourism dollars where they feel welcome.

  • dvhath Ogden, UT
    March 17, 2017 5:29 p.m.

    Fewer people driving with alcohol in their systems is just fine with me.

  • markusjbear Foothill Ranch, CA
    March 17, 2017 5:00 p.m.

    Colorado has a law and fine for the 0.05 limit. The adds are an embarrassment to those who posted them. They have shown that they are only thinking about filling their pockets with filthy lucre and not the safety of the public.

  • hankel Butte, MT
    March 17, 2017 3:35 p.m.

    Three of my grown children and their young families live in the great state of Utah. I'm grateful that there is now even more motivation for people there not to be driving under the influence. I wish we had a stricter law here in Montana. Nearly everyday I read in the newspaper about some disgusting thing happening in our city related to alcohol. That's one of many reasons I don't want to retire here. If Utah is quirky because people there don't want drunk drivers around, then I guess I'm quirky too, and proud of it.

  • hereandthere332 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2017 2:36 p.m.

    Since most of the posters here are for the bill, can I assume you would also support a bill that penalizes people who use a cell phone while driving?

    And when I say penalize, I mean the same penalties that are given to those who would drive with .06 in their system.

  • hereandthere332 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2017 2:33 p.m.

    "RocketScience"

    What is the purpose of the bill? Is it to prevent drunk driving? Is written to make our roads safer?

    If it is designed to make roads safer, why doesn't the Legislature also crack down on using your cell phone while driving? A DUI can cost up to $10,000 and result in jail time AND the loss of driving privideges.

    Shouldn't we do the same for using your cell phone while driving?

  • DougSegesman Bountiful, UT
    March 17, 2017 1:47 p.m.

    The argument AGAINST lowering the blood alcohol level to .05 is that people would not be able to go to a restaurant, drink some alcohol and drive home without the risk of getting a DUI.

    Let that sink in for a minute.....

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    March 17, 2017 1:36 p.m.

    The 0.05 limit is a move in the right direction. But Utah should also adopt the laws from the European countries. It seems to work. Really, how many deaths from drunk driving is an acceptable number?

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    March 17, 2017 12:53 p.m.

    Hereandthere332 the law does not say you can't drink. It does not say you can't exceed .05 or even .08, .1 or .2 if you want to. Little petite ladies can drink all they want.

    The law does say don't drink and drive above .05. There is a good slogan for us don't drink and drive it's point O 5

    Hint! It's about safety. Ask NTSB

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    March 17, 2017 11:55 a.m.

    I agree with the person in the article who said that it's sad that a group would use scare tactics to try to push booze. If people want to travel to Utah so they can drink and then drive, I want them to not come to Utah. Keep your money, we'll get fewer tax dollars, but we'll also have fewer devastated families because their loved one was killed or injured severely.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    March 17, 2017 11:55 a.m.

    I agree with the person in the article who said that it's sad that a group would use scare tactics to try to push booze. If people want to travel to Utah so they can drink and then drive, I want them to not come to Utah. Keep your money, we'll get fewer tax dollars, but we'll also have fewer devastated families because their loved one was killed or injured severely.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    March 17, 2017 11:36 a.m.

    Open post to Governor Herbert: PLEASE sign this bill. I am all for it!

  • hereandthere332 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2017 11:30 a.m.

    If you don't drink, you don't really understand the line between .05 and .08.

    A petite woman could blow a .05 after one drink. If this law is signed, Utah is going to lose out to states that embrace adulthood.

    Utah: Life Regulated

  • Husker1 Northern Utah County, UT
    March 17, 2017 11:29 a.m.

    I'd like to thank Colorado for legalizing marijuana. I grew up in Colorado, and had been debating whether I should retire in Utah or "back home". They made my decision to stay in Utah a no brainer.

  • texascamp Grand Junction, CO
    March 17, 2017 11:00 a.m.

    Utah Businesses need to pull their membership from this Restaurant Association for intentionally trying to sabotage Utah business. In any industry this is unacceptable.

  • DowntoBusiness Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2017 10:58 a.m.

    If you think that Utah DUI laws are too stiff, check out laws in other countries:

    Australia - Immediate loss of license for a minimum of six months if it is your first offense and a permanent loss for your second offense (source)

    Canada - First offence: $1,000 fine, 1-year driving prohibition; second offence: 30 days jail, 2-year driving prohibition; third or subsequent offence: 120 days jail, 3-year driving prohibition (source)

    England - Lose of license for a minimum 1 year (3 years for 2nd offence if within 10 years), substantial fine and possibility of up to 6 months imprisonment (source)

    France - Your car will be confiscated, three year loss of license, possibility of one year in jail and a $1,000 fine (source) where they make Champagne in the bottle and make a lot of money off of it.

    New Zealand - A fine of at least $1,000 and depending upon your age and BAC level, the lose of your license for at least three months (source)

    Russia - A first-time offender convicted of a DUI can have their license suspended for up to two years; In addition, knowingly allowing an intoxicated person to drive can get your license suspended;

  • 112358 Alpine, UT
    March 17, 2017 10:47 a.m.

    The ABI is one of many lobbying groups run by Rick Berman for his own enrichment. Its funding is opaque, but its agenda is to increase the consumption of alcohol, which makes any group that attempts to moderate alcoholic consumption a target.

    The ABI has attacked MADD, the CDC, the AMA, the NHTSA, the NTSB, and now Utah for efforts to reduce drunk driving. Groups run by Berman have claimed that second hand smoke does not cause cancer, tanning does not cause skin cancer, and so on.

    Being attacked by the ABI is a sign that we're doing something right in the battle against drunk driving.

  • Ann Blake Tracy Henderson, NV
    March 17, 2017 10:37 a.m.

    When doing the math this ruling makes sense. Add these facts together:

    Utah is one of the highest users of antidepressants.

    Studies show increased alcohol consumption from those previously suffering alcohol issues when prescribed an antidepressant. For three decades patients on antidepressants have reported overwhelming cravings for alcohol & kids there have reported taking antidepressants to magnify the effects of the alcohol they consume.

    One Northern UT officer reported giving 150 DUI citations in one month. Of those citations one was for alcohol consumption, the rest for antidepressant consumption - drugs whose labels warn against operating a vehicle.

    When you add all that together a lowering the limit to .05 does not seem out of line.

  • Woodworker Highland, UT
    March 17, 2017 10:31 a.m.

    Thanks to all the legislators for passing this new law. I also hope there will be tougher consequences for drunk drivers, consequences that help them to see, understand, and change. I'd like to also thank everyone who shared the statistics from European nations that have already instituted the .05 blood/alcohol law and strict consequences. I have no sympathy for those who choose to drink and drive. I hope that the day comes when everyone chooses not to drink or take drugs.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    March 17, 2017 10:08 a.m.

    Impartial7, you change the discussion and then say it makes Utah look foolish. Keep focus, this bill is about public safety, no more, no less. Either enforcement of .05 BA would make us more safe on public roads or it won't. The National Transportation Safety Board has stated it would be more safe. That is not foolish.

  • Michael Shea, MD Yuma, AZ
    March 17, 2017 9:22 a.m.

    I have an idea. The drinkers could move to Colorado and the Utah housing shortage will be alleviated.

  • DowntoBusiness Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2017 8:53 a.m.

    Drink all you want, just don't get behind the wheel and drive if you have been drinking. That is the message throughout Europe. The Europeans are way ahead of the US on stiff penalties for dui and the 0.05 limit.

    This has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with not being stupid.
    Go forward Gov with signing the billing, and become the smartest and safest state in the Union. Tourism, restaurants and drinkers will adapt and keep doing just fine, just like they have in Europe.

    If you are unexpectedly over the limit. Take an Uber home. They are everywhere.

    Most skiers come here for the champagne powder that is so routine here and the amazing terrain not the champagne in a bottle. If they drink too much at dinner they will take an uber back to their Hotel. It is no big deal.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    March 17, 2017 8:51 a.m.

    Why has no state in the US followed Norway's example and instituted a mandatory three week jail term for people who drive under the influence? Because everybody knows somebody who got a DUI at one point. They think that "throw 'em in the slammer" is good for "those people"--i.e., not me or my friends. But when your co-worker Marge's husband--or your neighbor Jake--or your own 22 year old kid-- had a DUI at some point, you think, well, maybe that's too severe a punishment.

    Of all the countries that permit alcohol at all, Norwegians have, by far, the lowest rate of DUI. This translates into lower vehicle insurance costs and lower incidence of disabilities.

    If Marge's husband had lived in Norway, he probably wouldn't have gotten that DUI--because he would have taken an Uber home.

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    March 17, 2017 8:37 a.m.

    Hopefully all the drunks, druggies, pot heads and stoners will end up in Colorado. We could only hope.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    March 17, 2017 7:42 a.m.

    As for getting buzzed responsibly, I'm not sure Colorado should be a role model for any other state.

    The real loser here is the American Beverage Institute. They have no problem with a few more drunk-driving deaths if it helps their bottom line. No ethics or morals of any kind there. Sad that they have any influence whatsoever in America today.

  • SME Bountiful, UT
    March 17, 2017 6:26 a.m.

    Impartial -

    You don't mention that Europe has school vouchers where the tax money follows the student to the school of their choice, public or private. I would love for us to adopt that European innovation.

  • slcman SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 17, 2017 6:01 a.m.

    Our governor and others are fond of pointing out that 25% of Utah driving fatalities are caused by impaired driving so something must be done about alcohol. OK, but where's the concern for the other 75%? Why is this state continually raising the speed limit on our highways? Makes me think that this might possibly have more to do with a hostility towards people who drink than a real concern for safety.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 16, 2017 11:55 p.m.

    The key to this article will be ignored by many. The NTSB came out four years ago recommending the .05. My main question is why anyone is fighting this? Shouldn't safe roads trump all. When Utah was the leader in going to .08 it didn't hurt, and all 50 states followed Utah. If you're impaired, don't drive. And bars and restaurants that serve one patron multiple drinks, where is your common sense.

  • MTerry SANDY, UT
    March 16, 2017 11:10 p.m.

    Hey, Colorado (the pothead state), you're more than welcome to the .05 complainers who can visit your state and get buzzed on booze and weed at the same time, legally.

  • Mick , 00
    March 16, 2017 10:53 p.m.

    Impartial-

    We would like to adopt things from Europe that work. Many of the things you mention don't work.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2017 10:35 p.m.

    Mock on colorado. Utah has the lowest drunk driver deaths in the nation. If you want to make yourself look ridiculous by mocking a state with such an honorable statistic, then Utah welcomes your foolishness.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    March 16, 2017 10:20 p.m.

    Wah wah wah, Bottom line, if you drink don't drive. I have been involved in two accidents caused by alcohol impaired driving. I have no sympathy of those who drink and put others at risk.

    Please note the NTSB is encouraging the .05 blood alcohol limit.

  • 3grandslams Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 16, 2017 10:17 p.m.

    Clearly the drinking public is never happy. Part of this bill lowers the "curtain" significantly and shrinks the space between schools and drinking establishments. Pro- drinkers screamed that tourism was hurt because of those laws. Tourism never was and clearly the old argument won't be realized again. People don't come Utah to drink! They never have. What brings folks to Utah is not going away, ever.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 16, 2017 10:04 p.m.

    I have absolutely zero issue with this. If you want to go out and drink, have at it. No one is saying you can't. What they are saying is you can't do that "and" get behind the wheel of a car. Walk, taxi, uber, lyft, mass transit, designate a friend.... what ever. Drink, but do so responsibly.

    Again, no one is saying you can't have a blood alcohol level greater than .05... they are just saying you can't drive and have a blood alcohol level that high.

    And any attempt to learn from Europe here is a good thing. Perhaps if this works, legislatures will also figure out that europeans do a few other things right too.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:36 p.m.

    Utah GOP legislators comparing us to Europe? Every time we ask for single payers Health Care, like Europe, they say it's socialism. You know what else Europe has other than .05 BAC laws? walkable, neighborhood pubs, along neighborhood streets, not 4 lane roads. I don't see Utah allowing those (kids might see them!). They also have convenient, cheap public transportation that runs after the bars close. They also have $6-7/ gallon gasoline and build central districts that encourage walking/biking. This bill is ridiculous and makes Utah look foolish.

  • James E Tooele, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:33 p.m.

    This will be hilarious looking back after CO and every other state passes the same law.

  • DrMAN Orem, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:11 p.m.

    @NoNamesAccepted My thoughts exactly! I would think that the citizenry of Colorado would/should be distraught drunk drivers (that they have so politically-correctly labeled "moderate social drinkers") are being recruited to their roadways. If I were a citizen of CO, I would asking the state to take legal action against the American Beverage Institute for irresponsibly soliciting dangerous, if not illegal, behavior to CO.

  • oaklandaforlife SLC, UT
    March 16, 2017 9:01 p.m.

    @Brave Sir Robin
    You stated "Wait, an association that makes money off people drinking wants everyone to drink more?" With an 87% Utah State markup on Alcohol products sold to the public, I think the association is doing fairly well.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    March 16, 2017 8:40 p.m.

    Wait, an association that makes money off people drinking wants everyone to drink more? I'm shocked. And no conflict of interest either.

  • IQ92 hi, UT
    March 16, 2017 8:40 p.m.

    Alcohol Driving Limits in the Alps
    Austria0.5
    France0.5
    Germany0.5
    Italy0.5
    Switzerland0.5

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    March 16, 2017 8:35 p.m.

    I really don't think .05 is a big deal. Officers can not just pull you over without a primary offense and even then they can not give you a breathalyzer first. They have to do other tests first and even then I think anyone at .05 could easily fight it unless there was a field blood test done.

    This potential new limit is a big deal over nothing and if you are seriously that worried then you shouln't be drinking and then driving.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    March 16, 2017 8:02 p.m.

    If Colorado wants to court those who are so irresponsible as to drive after drinking, they are more than welcome to have them.

    I used to work in the hospitality industry catering to tourists. This was back in the days of not being able to provide an alcohol menu until after the customer asked for it.

    I never had any complaints about our alcohol laws from those visiting from Europe.

    I rarely had complaints about our alcohol laws from those visiting from out-of-State. The rare complaint came from Californians.

    Those who complained the most about our laws being "weird" were our own residents.

    Yes, I did know residency because I checked ID like I was required to do.

    Forty year old Europeans didn't mind a bit when asked for ID. Twenty-two year old Utahns acted like I'd asked for a kidney.

    I'm thrilled Utah is working to reduce DUI. I live in Utah because it is different than Colorado, California, Nevada, or NY. I like the differences.

    Let those who want to drive after drinking take their business and risks elsewhere. We are safer for it.

  • texascamp Grand Junction, CO
    March 16, 2017 7:25 p.m.

    I'm okay with this. If you are driving like you are drunk enough to catch a cop's attention and get pulled over, then blow a .06, guess what, you were driving drunk enough to catch a cop's attention. We call it impaired driving. If you can't keep it between the lines whether you blow a .05. or a .09 doesn't matter, you attracted attention with your poor driving. Have a drink, or many drinks, then walk to your hotel, Mr. Tourist. OR, go the to ski resort, ski all day, drink a bottle then go to your room. Or, throw a party at your house and drive everyone home. Gosh, it's easy.

    It is nice to think of Utah as a state where the odds of you dying from a drunk driver on a ski vacation are less than neighboring states. It's reassuring. Utahns need to ignore naysaying purveyors of drugs and alcohol. THey do not care about the welfare of your state, they only care about their own bottom line. Cheers.