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Push to raise Utah income tax to help schools moving ahead

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 20, 2017 8:02 p.m.

    tosmart wants to know who isn't paying their fair share? That is easy the large families that are stressing the system for one. Most of them pay little to nothing for the education of their children. The second group all of us. Twenty years ago we were top 10 in tax dollars per $1000.00 of income going to education. Now we are in the low 30's in tax dollars per $1000.00 of income. How can you expect a quality education when we have more students than any other state and we spend by far the least per student. That is a completely illogical situation. Do we have to spend the most, no, but the spending the least is not going to provide a high quality education.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    March 20, 2017 12:54 p.m.

    worf, McAllen TX. You have commented on this issue more than anyone posting. This article is about Utahans voting to increase taxes OR not to increase taxes, specifically for education of our children. Thanks for the advice but for or against, unless you have residency here you don't have a vote. If however you would like Texas to share some of those oil generated tax revenues please help that vote along in Texas.

  • JakeShewmake St. George, UT
    March 20, 2017 12:22 p.m.

    I fully support tax deductiona for up to two children, after that its on you. Utah may good for business, but business is not being good to Utah. Businesses are taking away huge profits and not increasing wages or contributing enough to the infrastructure costs. We are making the rich get richer--at least some of the wealthy recognize their responsibility to the rest of us and are willing to step up to the plate to make sure that our economy does not continue to be built on industries of the past like mining, coal, oil, and gas. Two words people--information economy. You do not get transformed to an information economy by being last in per pupil funding--end of story. Please stop living in the past. If you want your children to become slaves to outdated industries that will soon be swept away leaving them with no skills and no way out of poverty, then keep being stingy. I am sure they will thank you all for what you delivered to them. Stop cheating children. Restore income taxes to appropriate levels. Huntsman's plan cheated an entire generation out of an education with the tax cuts so many pretend they never received. Will it continue for another?

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    March 20, 2017 5:36 a.m.

    Utah is the #1 business state in the nation. There are reasons for this. One is that residents do not like tax hikes.

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    March 19, 2017 10:50 p.m.

    To those who say: "Pay their fair share..." will you please explain just what about this Democratic buzz phrase made popular by Obama means in terms of dollars and cents/sense? Utah already grants 100% of personal income tax and 63% of property tax to education, so who in the group of persons that pay income tax and property tax aren't paying their "fair share?" That is a cute but meaningless little saying.

    There has to be education reform, too, not just more income tax. Traditional methods, however sacrosanct, may and indeed need to be improved.

    Since the call is from business leaders, I want to know who exactly put them in charge of education lobbying? If they want to see more money go towards education they may certainly throw it in the pot themselves; I'm sure it will be accepted and spent, not rejected and returned.

    I call on ALL voters, young and old, to REJECT this method of funding education. There has to be a better way.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 19, 2017 3:53 p.m.

    @Al - Vernal, UT,

    Those with more children have increased tax deductions.

    They pay less than those with no children.

    Sorry, but parents should pay a small tuition fee, and feed their own kids.

  • drich Green River, Utah
    March 19, 2017 3:47 p.m.

    The rich business leaders bring alot more home than retirees. They need to invest more, besides they will get all back through tax deductions retirees won't.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 19, 2017 3:43 p.m.

    If a person earns a high salary.

    Why do others feel want to increase their taxes, and be entitled to their earnings!

    This is envy, and a desire for theft.

  • Diligent Dave Logan, UT
    March 19, 2017 12:25 p.m.

    Utah is not under taxed in terms of what it pays for education. Rather, too much of the money being spent on education is being misallocated to School administration pay and to pay District Personnel. The function of schools is have good teachers teach students. Too much of the money is funneled to the bureaucracy at the school district, and to paying high School administration salaries and benefits.

    Change that before you tax anyone more than tbey are being taxed.

    I liked the idea to tax tickets for professional sporting events, if there is to be any increase in taxes.

  • DEW Sandy, UT
    March 19, 2017 11:08 a.m.

    My wife is getting close to retirement in Public School. 30 years very little help from Utah Government and long working days and high stress. This will never change to improve as long we see more kids growing in our state. I asked her if she is looking to retire and she said NO because she loves her young students.

  • Al Vernal, UT
    March 19, 2017 10:33 a.m.

    For all those who think that those who have more children should pay more for education, newsflash, they already do. With fees, trips, etc. those with more children already pay more than those with less.

    The bigger point, I will gladly pay more now to educate my 5 children than you do for your 2, if, when it comes to receiving the social security at retirement, because I have five children paying into the system to your two, I should receive two-and-a-half times as much as you do.

  • Middle of the road Mormon South Jordan, UT
    March 19, 2017 8:15 a.m.

    I have long supported the elimination of the property tax exemption for religious and non-profit organizations.

    How much tax money would be collected if these organizations paid their fair share in property taxes?

    Do they not benefit from the same police and fire departments? Do they not benefit from the public education system that educates the people who grow up, get jobs, and donate to them?

    How is it we live in a red state and every time I turn around the GOP is raising taxes? The raised gas and property taxes in the past 3 years, now they are going to tax food, and they have also found a way to collect tax for online purchases (Amazon has agreed to send them money).

  • crkennedy1 Herriman, UT
    March 19, 2017 5:33 a.m.

    We make it too easy for other people to tax and spend our hard-earned money. Personally, I already feel like my current tax burden is much too high.
    If our schools can't operate on what they already get, the taxpayer dollars already extorted need to be redistributed.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2017 11:01 p.m.

    Many people can't afford more tax increases. Wages are not going up as fast as taxes, housing, and many other things. Or, many people are on fixed incomes and can't afford additional tax increases. Cut something somewhere else to fund more teachers, pay them more, and give them smaller classrooms. Cut some of the tax breaks for the Gail Millers of the state and some of their corporations. The tax loopholes for them could be closed to help fund the educational needs we have. Start doing a head tax as well.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    March 18, 2017 10:58 p.m.

    Don't they get Federal money. Don't the Feds just print it. Am I missing something hear. What would raising taxes do, it tells you their in control. That's all it's for, to tell you who's the Boss.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    March 18, 2017 10:34 p.m.

    It's easy to complain about new taxes and perhaps the current proposal isn't ideal. But, something must be done about Utah's underfunded schools. Without an increase in teacher pay, we select for a less effective teacher. If our classrooms are over crowded, we dilute the learning experience of our children. Instead of complaining about the increase in income tax, come up with a better way to come up with the money. It's either get enough money or cheat our children out of a decent education.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    March 18, 2017 10:30 p.m.

    Let parents pay their fair share, and contribute some tuition. Quit having children if you can't afford to raise them.

    Also, let parents feed their own children and quit expecting others to do it.

    Raising Utah income tax for schools is theft.

  • misanthrope sl, UT
    March 18, 2017 9:50 p.m.

    #1 we have a representative form of govt., not a direct democracy for a reason ( to prevent emotion based mob rule.)
    #2 It is immoral to vote to empower the state to take money from your neighbor, no matter how worthy the cause.

  • canyonprophet69 provo, UT
    March 18, 2017 8:54 p.m.

    Let's just end the Utah brand of socialism already and place the burden on those who created the excessive demand, limit tax credits to 2 .

  • Navyvet taylorsville, utah
    March 18, 2017 8:32 p.m.

    Since the legislature refused to address the teacher shortage issue it's time for someone to step up and get their attention. They did what they generally do when faced with a difficult problem, just kick the can down the road.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 18, 2017 8:31 p.m.

    The big danger with the referendum process is that well financed groups can go out and pay signature gatherers to con gullible voters into signing the petitions. They approach people in malls or at the post office, etc, usually using a one or two sentence explanation like "Sign here if you want kids to get a better education."

    Too many voters today know very little about what is going on, have only the vaguest notion of what major candidates are proposing, and are clueless about where the government gets money to give away "free stuff."

    The "business leaders" are doing this because they see a financial benefit for themselves, and do not care a bit about the taxpayers who will foot the bill.

    Refuse to sign the petitions. Vote "NO!" on the "Raise my taxes" initiative.

  • NoNamesAccepted St. George, UT
    March 18, 2017 8:18 p.m.

    Lets add a surtax to the sales of all tickets to professional sporting events.

    Or maybe raise the sales tax on all new and used cars purchased through a dealer.

    Perhaps even remove the sales tax exemption on newspapers.

    Those who want to raise taxes always want to raise it on somebody else.

    A 17% increase in the State income tax really hurts the middle class wage earner getting paid on W2 income. It has very little effect on many of those pushing the oncrwase as their income is from tax advantaged sourcws like interest, investments, and businesses that get massive tax breaks.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    March 18, 2017 5:44 p.m.

    This is garbage. Big Business Billionaires, that take tens of millions in tax breaks, wanting every little guy to pony up for our underfunded schools. How about Gail Miller give up the 20+ million in tax breaks for the Vivint Arena? How about Larry Miller Dealerships give up their tax rebates from cities for car sales? Zion's Bank? They want to keep their taxpayer gravy train flowing into their pockets while overtaxing the average citizen. They have no shame.