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  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    March 25, 2017 12:45 a.m.

    @desperate ute

    "...Until BYU can play 9 or 10 P5 teams a year, then let's compare at that point. I will also predict that BYU will be 1-4 by the end of September....mark it down."

    *******

    Amazing, some ute fans want to talk about how tough their schedule is when they compete in the worst division in P-5 football (the south hasn't won a conference championship in 9 years and counting... the utes have never before played in any conference championship (pac12 or otherwise).

    But here is who the utes play under the umbrella of P-5 and then pound their chests on SOS... OSU, WSU, Cal, AZ, and CO... these are 5 teams that are not considered strong year in and year out by any objective measurement. Yet these same fans who like to talk about how tough their schedules are belittle teams like Boise State (a team that utah is 0-4 against since they became an FBS team over 20 years ago), or Toledo who knocked over Arkansas, or Houston that manhandled FSU,Oklahoma and Louisville.

    Your implied logic that all P-5 teams are better than G-5 teams makes no sense. If BYU goes 13-0 this year they will have beaten some storied programs and will deserve Playoff consideration.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    March 25, 2017 12:28 a.m.

    @uteology,et all

    By any measure from any objective college football evaluation source BYU is and always will be in our lifetime considered a greater legacy football power than utah. (That comment actually extends beyond Football... See the Director Cup Rankings and you pick the year)...

    Last year (August 2016) the AP ranked college football programs by strength of program and effectiveness since the beginning of College Football... Ohio State was #1, BYU was #34, and utah was #64 (behind such power houses as SMU, WSU, and Navy... but just ahead of Kansas and Oregon State... But at least utah made the top 100... congratulations).

  • Former Coach Payson, UT
    March 23, 2017 8:03 a.m.

    @Y's little brother,

    Thank you for posting the Sagarin rating that has BYU one spot in front of Utah. I have asked several times and yet to get an answer pertaining to the Sagarin Rating System. I don't understand how it works? Maybe you could explain it to me. It has to many confusing results. For example, Michigan finished 3rd in that ranking system yet lost to Ohio State and Florida State and had a lower SOS than both of those schools. Same records, but lost to both of them. How does it work? How can that be credible?

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 22, 2017 12:59 p.m.

    @ Ute-mythology

    Still amused at your interest and venom towards a team you claim is not your equal and you have left behind.

    The chance of any 4 teams going undefeated in a season isn of course not going to happen. But that was not the point of the exercise.

    The CFP selection committee gives deference to certain teams over others. Utah is not one of those. If it's a choice between an undefeated Utah and an undefeated P-5 Blue Blood, Utah gets left out. If it makes a difference, between an an undefeated BYU and an undefeated P-5, BYU is left out.

    To be clear, neither BYU or Utah has any chance of being undefeated this year.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 22, 2017 12:51 p.m.

    @2BCSWINS - West of I15, UT
    March 22, 2017 7:20 a.m.

    @jelloisgood........."Michigan may not want to add Utah. (Been there, done that.)"

    Agree they probably don't seeing how Utah has owned them recently. Michigan would probably be ok adding the cougies as a cupcake warm up game early on in the season. Seeing how last time the might cougies played Michigan they had hard time cracking a 100 total yards for the game and was taken to the woodshed.

    -----------------------

    Why so much shade and hate? Utah is a good program and has had the best of BYU lately. Good for them. Is it possible for you to have a football discussion without so much emotion?

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    March 22, 2017 11:31 a.m.

    Uteology

    Regardless of how U frantically try spin it,

    Consensus National Championship > BCS win or CFP ranking

    Only a desperate Utah fan would try to claim that

    something less than #1

    is "greater" than #1

    Unfortunately for U, the closest U will ever get to a Crystal Football National Championship Trophy is the one proudly displayed in BYU's Legacy Hall of Fame.

    #1/#1 BYU > #2/#4 Utah

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    March 22, 2017 7:20 a.m.

    @jelloisgood........."Michigan may not want to add Utah. (Been there, done that.)"

    Agree they probably don't seeing how Utah has owned them recently. Michigan would probably be ok adding the cougies as a cupcake warm up game early on in the season. Seeing how last time the might cougies played Michigan they had hard time cracking a 100 total yards for the game and was taken to the woodshed.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 21, 2017 11:35 p.m.

    @TrueBlue

    Fact: Under BCS system, BYU never finished ranked higher than BCS #14.

    Fact: Under the CFP, BYU has yet to crack the poll.

    Your glory years 2006-2010, you beat 3 ranked teams which explaines fact #1. Counting 11 win seasons is hilarious, see Western Michigan 2016.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 21, 2017 11:24 p.m.

    @TrueBlue

    I am not counting irrelevant MWC titles, you are. Utah, TCU, and Boise define accomplishments as BCS wins.

    @Jello

    What cracks me up is your disparate scenario has 0% chance of occurring and you needed a Ute to teach you. In fact BYU is more likely to go undefeated.

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    March 21, 2017 10:03 p.m.

    Uteology

    "For laughs, BYU was never ranked higher than #14 in league owned by Utah and TCU."

    For laughs, U should review your lifetime history compared to BYU's recent history, starting with the Whittingham era:

    2006 #16/#15 BYU(11-2); unranked Utah(8-5); BYU won head-to-head and CC
    2007 #14/#15 BYU 11-2); unranked Utah(9-4); BYU won head-to-head and CC
    2008 #25/#21 BYU(10-3); #2/#4 Utah(13-0); Utah won head-to-head and CC
    2009 #12/#12 BYU(11-2); #18/#18 Utah(10-3); BYU won head-to-head

    BYU had more 11+ win, Top 15 finishes from 2006 to 2009, than Utah has had in their entire history.

    Bronco won TWICE as many MWC championships than Whittingham in the conference you clueless claim Utah "owned".

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 21, 2017 10:02 p.m.

    @Uteology

    "Utah 13-0
    Alabama 13-0
    Ohio State 13-0
    Oklahoma 13-0
    Florida State 13-0

    Then: Utah is left out. You know it and I know it. But will you admit it..

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    More BYU "fan" fantasy.

    Alabama plays FSU.

    Ohio State plays Oklahoma."

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    The fact that you all actually looked up the schedules of these teams cracks me up.

    A couple of things: While Alabama plays FSU and OSU plays Oklahoma in OOC games, Utah plays BYU and who else? That's the reason they would be left out.

    So for the sake of argument I will switch out Michigan for Ohio State and Clemson for FSU.

    You all crack me up. Enough of make believe.

    BYU 10-3
    Utah 8-4

    You break a couple of your streaks this year. What will you brag about then.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 21, 2017 9:39 p.m.

    PACute_ - Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 20, 2017 2:24 p.m.
    1979 11-1 #13/#12
    1980 12-1 #12/#12
    1981 11-2 #13/#11
    1982 8-4
    1983 11-1 #7/#7
    1984 13-0 #1/#1

    As much as Utah fans like to pretend that the Utes are one of the "big boys", the Utes have never even come close to matching BYU's 1979 to 1984 record...

    EVER!

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    Boise lite, Boise in the WAC was significantly better during the BCS era.

    Yet Boise, unlike Utah, never cracked the BCS top 6 auto-qualify standards. For laughs, BYU was never ranked higher than #14 in league owned by Utah and TCU.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 21, 2017 6:14 p.m.

    @Jello

    Utah 13-0
    Alabama 13-0
    Ohio State 13-0
    Oklahoma 13-0
    Florida State 13-0

    Then: Utah is left out. You know it and I know it. But will you admit it..

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    More BYU "fan" fantasy.

    Alabama plays FSU.

    Ohio State plays Oklahoma.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 21, 2017 5:02 p.m.

    Jello,

    Actually FSU plays Alabama next year so there goes one of them. Try, try again.

    I'm out; Peace!

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 21, 2017 4:52 p.m.

    @SoonerUte - Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2017 3:28 p.m.

    "That is correct. Utah would be left out because of a weak non-conference schedule.

    However, if the legislature allows Utah to drop BYU and add a team like Michigan again, then THAT undefeated Ute team gets in."

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    Many things inconsistent with your conjecture.

    1. Legislature had nothing to do with football scheduling.
    2. Dropping BYU would actually lower your SOS.
    3. You could drop SUU or San Jose St. right now and add Michigan.
    4. Michigan may not want to add Utah. (Been there, done that.)

    And even with all that, Utah might still get left out. I don't know for sure if they would, but boat boy asked for a scenario in which an undefeated Utah team gets left out. I provided one, n o matter how unlikely.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 21, 2017 4:44 p.m.

    @Spokane Ute - Spokane, WA
    March 21, 2017 3:06 p.m.

    "Jello Boy

    and the odds of that happening are?

    Nil, zilch, zero, nadda . . and you know it."

    Oh, I agree completely. I also agree that there is no chance BYU goes undefeated this year either. But that wasn't the question posed by Nasal. He asked for a scenario in which Utah went undefeated and was left out. I just provided one.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2017 3:28 p.m.

    The Jello Scenario
    Utah 13-0
    Alabama 13-0
    Ohio State 13-0
    Oklahoma 13-0
    Florida State 13-0

    Utah is left out.
    ----------
    That is correct. Utah would be left out because of a weak non-conference schedule.

    However, if the legislature allows Utah to drop BYU and add a team like Michigan again, then THAT undefeated Ute team gets in.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 21, 2017 3:06 p.m.

    Jello Boy

    and the odds of that happening are?

    Nil, zilch, zero, nadda . . and you know it.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 21, 2017 2:42 p.m.

    Utah and bama would be in. The other 3 play in weaker conferences. probably fsu would get left out.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 21, 2017 2:23 p.m.

    Navy boy:

    If:

    Utah 13-0
    Alabama 13-0
    Ohio State 13-0
    Oklahoma 13-0
    Florida State 13-0

    Then: Utah is left out. You know it and I know it. But will you admit it....

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 21, 2017 2:19 p.m.

    Again our most obsessed fan from philly has visited our BYU space again to pontificate on his vast wisdom on all things BYU football. As I have stated before, he would rather be in LES booing tan in RES cheering. Looked for you comments on the Utah articles but wasn't able to find them. Did I miss something?

  • CougFaninTX Spring, TX
    March 21, 2017 2:04 p.m.

    @ naval - "An undefeated Utah gets into the CFP. An undefeated midmajor like the Y does not, because their SOS will be too weak."

    CBS projects Utah's SOS at 29 and BYU's at 41. I tend to agree that's about right. Take out BYU's 13th game against Hawaii and it would climb a couple more points.

    Oregon, USC, Arizona, Colorado and Washington are all projected with easier SOS than BYU. So if they go undefeated, they won't get into CFP either? If BYU goes undefeated (which I don't think they will), and don't get into the CFP it will be because of elitism, not SOS.

    Remember the same thing U were preaching against 10 years ago, until U became one of the elite. Just think what would have happened if someone said U're SOS was too weak in 2008 to play Alabama. It was certainly lower than BYU's this year.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 21, 2017 1:31 p.m.

    Tomahawk Red:

    ...and don't forget about the Y's "stellar" 0-for-forever records vs. Iowa St and USC as well!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 21, 2017 1:19 p.m.

    Sanefan:

    You said, “An undefeated Utah would lose a play off [sic] birth to any 2 loss, maybe even a 3 loss, ‘blue blood.’” And you were wrong. What happened with Ohio St. last year is entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand, since the BigTen champion – Penn St – did not finish “undefeated”. Had PSU finished undefeated, they would have gone to the playoff.

    Utah doesn’t need prior year’s results to get into the playoff. And undefeated regular season WILL suffice. An “undefeated” season would have entailed a 12-0 regular season record, plus an additional “W” in the CCG. So unless you can give me an example of a 13-0 conference champion from a P5 league who did NOT qualify for the CFP, you’ve got nothing.

    An “undefeated” Utah gets into the CFP. An “undefeated” midmajor like the Y does not, because their SOS will be too weak.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    March 21, 2017 12:53 p.m.

    "It's insulting to Ute fans to presume or assume we don't know BYU's accomplishments. I mean how could we forget? Especially when Y fans never let us forget their history?"

    Desperate, you can't be serious. So I first read this part of the article, laughed that someone seriously put the time to write that and moved on. 60+ comments later a pointless debate had ensued, topped by you saying BYU fans are forcing you to read and post about BYU. Only you can come to do this. Some fans feel the need to put rival fans in their place with broken record stats because the rival keeps coming back over and over. If you didn't read and post, you wouldn't blame BYU fans for this and that. I rarely, almost never, read anything related to your school because I don't care. It's not cool to put BYU fans down when you keep egging them on. You must have ten comments on this blog alone. That's not an insult to you at all, it's obsession, wouldn't you agree?

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    March 21, 2017 12:23 p.m.

    Uteanymous - Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 20, 2017 2:13 p.m.

    "Nebraska hadn't lost a home opener since 1985 ( a 29-year winning streak)."

    Well THAT is a great accomplishment! No matter how crappy they were, I guess.

    "Oklahoma finished #26 in the final AP Poll, ONE vote out of the Top 25"

    The definition of GIANT I guess has been seriously downgraded. In that case, Utah is a giant dominator.

    "Versus Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas combined BYU is 7-1 Utah is 0-6"

    Cool! Cherry-picked irrelevance! These are my favorite byu-p smack items! Especially when Utah hasn't played any of those teams in decades. LOL! Nice reach.

    Versus Michigan, Stanford, Alabama, Louisville, West Virginia -- AND let's throw in Indiana and Kansas -- combined BYUP is 1-8, Utah is 16-4.

    LOL

    See ya.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    March 21, 2017 11:52 a.m.

    phantomblade - Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 20, 2017 1:57 p.m.
    tommy red

    What's really embarrassing is the typical over-reaction by our jealous friends on the hill.

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    This is kind of similar to the "truther" conspiracy stuff.

    For a long time, we have been told we are supposed to be jealous of something in Provo. Yet, not a single byu-p fan has been able to produce proof -- or even a specific claim-- for this.

    I wish someone would break through with some intel on this.

    Maybe I can guess...

    Jealous of losing six in a rooo... no that's not it.

    Jealous of being stuck in provvvv... no that's not it.

    Jealous of playing such a tough schedddd... no that's not it.

    Jealous of your conferennn... no that's not it.

    Jealous of your NY6 or BCS bowwww... no that's not it.

    Jealous that you're always in the top 25 rankkkk... no that's not it.

    Jealous that you are always the best team in the staaaa... no that's not it.

    Jealous of your ancient national champppp... no that's not it.

    Jealous that you're owned by the churrr... no that's not it.

    Jealous that you always play on BYUttttt... no that's not it.

    I can't come up with it.

  • burningblue Provo, UT
    March 21, 2017 11:49 a.m.

    @DesperadoUte

    Do really think that BYU fans are saying, "We're going to the playoffs this year!" after reading this article? If so, then I can only be grateful that I don't carry the same level of paranoia about anything that the national media says about Utah.

    That seems like a very heavy burden to carry. Thank you for doing it for us. ;)

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 21, 2017 11:45 a.m.

    Deep Blue

    My point is that any PAC 12 team that goes undefeated is in the playoff. Case in Point: Last year Washington played an awful non-conference game; lost a game and still got in. I would like to expand on the further but the Moderator only allows the pointed comments to flow in one direction. That, and I would probably be labeled a "troll" since I am a Utah fan commenting on BYU and the topic at hand. Have a great day.

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    March 21, 2017 11:41 a.m.

    NevadaCoug - Overton, NV
    March 20, 2017 1:18 p.m.

    Off the top of my head?

    Beating Nebraska in their home opener...

    Beating Oklahoma when they were ranked #3 in the nation...

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    Those ain't giants.

    Oklahoma you can make some kind of argument. Nebraska, uh, no.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    March 21, 2017 10:31 a.m.

    To all the usual suspects ( Ute trolls) with an obsession to comment on every BYU article...
    Know this....

    -BYU does not have to dream of a Unanimous National Championship in football...Accomplished!

    -BYU does not have to dream of a Heisman Trophy...Accomplished!

    -BYU does not have dream of 17 National Award winners...Accomplished!

    -BYU does not have to dream of producing a Super Bowl MVP...Accomplished!

    -BYU does not have to dream of producing NFL MVPs...Accomplished!

    -BYU does not have to dream of 23 Conference Championships in football, in the
    "Modern Era"...Accomplished!

    -BYU does not have to dream of producing more All-Americans, Consensus All-Americans, All-Pro, Super Bowl and NFL players than their rival...Accomplished!

    -BYU does not have to dream of drawing 60+thousand fans a game...Accomplished!

    -BYU does not have to dream of drawing 30k fans at an "AWAY" game...Accomplished!

    BYU does not have to dream of becoming a National Brand with an established Legacy...Accomplished!

    As for "U" achieving the same?
    Keep dreaming!

  • burningblue Provo, UT
    March 21, 2017 9:46 a.m.

    @Sanefan

    I have to agree with the Ute fans here. You are going a bit overboard with your a two or three loss team would be chosen over Utah comment. I personally, as a BYU fan, find that ridiculous. If Utah was undefeated at season end they would be in, unless there were other undefeated teams with a stronger SOS.

    If BYU was undefeated then they would get considerations, but it wouldn't be a sure thing. I'd give them about a 30% chance of getting in, in the unlikely event that BYU was undefeated. That most likely won't happen this year.

    The Ute's P5 affiliation does give them credibility, which is the reason why BYU tried so hard to join the Big 12. BYU has advantages too, but none of them will guarantee a playoff bid the way P5 affiliation does. It's naive and even ignorant to claim otherwise.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    March 21, 2017 9:43 a.m.

    "I'll gladly eat my words if any different....but I want you Cougar fans to take note of this article, and the pure nonsensical comments that have come from it."

    @Desperado Ute

    Sure will. I've already witnessed the nonsensical comments that have come from it, mainly the fact that yet again Ute "fans" are trying to pass this as "self-declared national champions", when in reality this is just linking to a CBS article about how some national sports writer thinks BYU is a darkhorse contender for the playoffs. Reading the comments it is easy to see that BYU fans don't expect to go undefeated, and even if they do many are skeptical of a playoff invite.

    It is clear from these comments that Ute "fans" care a whole lot about BYU, seemingly more than they care about their own team. Every time a national sports writer brings up BYU in a positive light, here the Ute "fans" come in droves to discredit it and mock BYU fans for "creating hype", while they themselves ignore the fact that unless everyone at ESPN and CBS are BYU fans, this is not coming from BYU fans. It's a hard pill to swallow.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    March 21, 2017 9:19 a.m.

    Since 1965, BYU owns the series 29-22.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    March 21, 2017 9:17 a.m.

    DesperateUte

    Despite your P5 bluster, Utah's schedule was only marginally better than BYU's in 2016.

    Per Sagarin:

    #36 BYU(9-4) #75 SOS
    #37 Utah(9-4) #60 SOS

    Putting a P5 label on a team, does NOT necessarily make them a strong opponent.

    #102 Arizona, #75 OSU, #70 UCLA, #90 ASU, #77 Oregon, and #69 Indiana are all proof of that.

    Utah's 2nd best win of the entire 2016 season was versus "lowly", Independent, #36 BYU.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    March 21, 2017 9:05 a.m.

    U Utah 22

    National Championships
    BYU 1 > Utah none

    Heisman Trophies
    BYU 1 > Utah none

    National Hall of Fame Players
    BYU 6 > Utah none

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17 > Utah 8

    11+ Win Seasons
    BYU 11 > Utah 2

    Conference Championships
    BYU 23 > Utah 5

    The ONLY reasons Utah owns the overall series is U started with a 30-year head start, and then as soon as BYU started to get competitive, beating U for the first time in 1942, BYU had to start again from scratch in 1946, because, unlike U, BYU suspended their football program from 1943 to 1945, because of World War II.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    March 21, 2017 8:52 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Utah started the season 6-0; 2 years ago and they were slated for the playoffs."

    U were only "slated" for the playoffs 6 games into the season IF you were able to FINISH the season undefeated.

    Unfortunately for U, you proved that U were a pretender, rather than a contender, by losing 3 of your next 5 games and dropping completely out of the AP Top 25.

    Your reward for all of that pretending, playing BYU in the Las Vegas Bowl.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    March 21, 2017 8:41 a.m.

    Why are we even talking about what would or wouldn't happen if BYU went undefeated? That scenario is so far fetched in and of itself at this point that it just seems like a pointless conversation to have. And I am a hardcore BYU fan. Go Cougars, prove me wrong if you can, and then we can have the conversation of whether or not you deserve to be in the playoff.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    March 21, 2017 8:35 a.m.

    Uteology

    "We last beat UW in 2015.

    BYU last beat Utah at 2009."

    LOL at your cherry-picked, self-serving stats.

    BYU is 4-5 all-time versus Washington, with BYU winning 3 of the last 4
    Utah is 1-9 all-time versus Washington, with Utah losing 3 of 4 since joining the PAC 12

  • Minnesota Ute Bloomington, MN
    March 21, 2017 8:19 a.m.

    BYU qualifies as a Cinderella after starting the season with LSU, Utah, Wisconsin, and Boise St.? That qualifies as a Cinderella only if at best an 8-4 record could meet the Cinderella criteria.

  • U West of I15, UT
    March 21, 2017 7:24 a.m.

    @Uteanymous......."Versus Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas combined
    BYU is 7-1
    Utah is 0-6"

    Versus Utah the mighty cougies are 0-6 the last 6 meetings and the overall series it absolutely dominated by the utes, LOL!

    @Sanefan..........."Guess we will probably never know, but if you think a undefeated Utah in the PAC 12, as weak as it currently stands"

    You're obviously not that sane of a fan if you call the PAC 12 weak. The PAC 12 had more teams than any conference ranked in top 20 yet you call that weak? I assure you an undefeated Utah would 100% for sure be in the playoff absolutely 0 doubt about that! They won't be however because they simply have to much to replace losing so many guys to the NFL. That combined with playing such a demanding week in week out schedule there is no way they go undefeated anytime soon.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 21, 2017 7:08 a.m.

    Sanefan - Wellsville, UT
    March 20, 2017 5:25 p.m.

    Navel
    Guess we will probably never know,
    --------
    Actually, we already do know. Utah started the season 6-0; 2 years ago and they were slated for the playoffs. Do you really hate Utah that bad so it clouds any rational thinking? Aren't you the same person who continually tells everyone how weak the PAC 12 is in basketball? You know, the PAC 12 that went 8-1 last weekend. Your hatred of Utah and the PAC 12 is pretty sad; but quite obvious.

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    March 21, 2017 1:07 a.m.

    @DesperadoUte Finishing 3rd in the PAC12 Southern Division would be an improvement for u but once again, like Utah State, finishing somewhere in the middle is, shall we say, mediocre? That's all u are capable of as witnessed thus far in your participation in the conference of champions.

    Remember when UNLV beat you 27 - 0 and Whittingham's response was "I don't know why we lost"? That was a statement to remember forever.

    To predict the u will finish 2nd in the Southern Division is to be, shall we use the words of Naval Vet,...emotional and frantic...or was it frantic and emotional?

    You and you cohoerts that love to blast the Y seem to forget how many years as members of the PAC u failed to go to a bowl game. That's part of your stellar history of success, too.

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    March 21, 2017 12:54 a.m.

    @AZUTE If Utah was so great, why didn't they win a NC in 1984? Where is their Heisman winner? The reason the Y won the NC in 1984 is they were the ONLY undefeated team in the nation, and that includes all the present-day P-5 schools...every one.

    Utah has a real (unfair almost) advantage in that their first 3 of 4 games every year are at home and they warm up with a couple of cupcakes. Let them start on the road against a real team and see how they fare.....likely not so well. So then they get real high national rankings because they are in the PAC10.2. They never got those rankings prior to that. And then comes November and they crash. How many times did they finish 5th in the Southern Division? How many teams have failed to win the Southern Division? Oh, just Utah, as Colorado passed them, leaving them in the dust.

    What, no Rose Bowl Invitation yet? (Shades of Arizona). No PAC12 Championship yet? No OC that lasts more than a year? A small stadium at 45,000 seats? And you call that a "program?"

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 21, 2017 12:23 a.m.

    @Blue
    The trolls on these site care very much about BYU. Good for them. It makes it more fun when BYU defies their dire predictions. As for UW, wake me when Utah beats UW again.

    ------

    We last beat UW in 2015.

    BYU last beat Utah at 2009.

    Wake me when BYU "fans" stop cheering for Team B over Team A accomplishments.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 21, 2017 12:14 a.m.

    An undefeated, top 4, PAC-12 Utah team would be passed over by a 2 and 3 loss team? LOL

    Only in the fantasy of "fans" down south.

    Utah has been ranked in every CFP poll, I don't expect "fans" of a team that has never been ranked to understand how CFP rankings work.

    BYU hasn't beat a P5 final ranked team since 1996, good luck making the playoffs.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    March 20, 2017 9:40 p.m.

    VariedHue

    "Jay, you do realize that BYU was listed first because the teams were listed alphabetically, right?"

    True, but Kercheval also implied that BYU may have the best chance of any darkhorse candidate at cracking the playoffs :

    "Who better to take on the title of college football’s Cinderella than the team who arguably best personifies it?... In the three years of the College Football Playoff, no team outside the Power Five has cracked the top four, but the Cougars have a chance with their schedule."

  • VariedHue Logan, UT
    March 20, 2017 8:52 p.m.

    Jay, you do realize that BYU was listed first because the teams were listed alphabetically, right?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 20, 2017 6:34 p.m.

    Sanefan,
    Utah commands much more respect than what you're desperately trying to portray. Just ask the pollsters. And that respect is earned with their play on the field, not conjectured in the off-season.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    March 20, 2017 5:25 p.m.

    Navel
    Guess we will probably never know, but if you think a undefeated Utah in the PAC 12, as weak as it currently stands, would get a pick over a 2 loss Oklahoma, Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson; then your way out of touch and obviously didn't understand the ramifications of a team like Ohio State going to the playoffs last year. They not only didn't win their Conference Championship, they didn't even play in it and went to the Playoffs. So, there ya go, no way a newcomer like Utah has a chance against something like that. Now maybe if they have a run like BYU did in the late 70's early 80's, they will eventually get a shot. But the chance of that are worse than my chance of winning the lottery.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    March 20, 2017 5:25 p.m.

    azute1

    "BYU impressed voters so much prior to '84 that they started off the year unranked."

    The ONLY reason BYU wasn't ranked is because of the uncertainty of Bosco taking over for Young.

    As soon as Bosco demonstrated in the first nationally televised ESPN college football game that he was an adequate replacement for Young, BYU immediately shot into the Top 15 and quickly moved back into the Top 10.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 20, 2017 4:52 p.m.

    Sanefan:

    "An undefeated Utah would lose a play off birth to any 2 loss, maybe even a 3 loss, 'blue blood.'"

    That sounded "made up". Can you give us an example of a 2 or 3 loss "blue blood" team who'd beaten Utah in the postseason following an undefeated Utah season???

    Can you even give us an example of a ONE loss team who'd beaten a regular season undefeated Utah team?

    No?

    I thought not. You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    March 20, 2017 4:35 p.m.

    Yawn. More of the same.

    As for UofU, who cares? Nobody outside SLCounty and a few die hards in the rest of the state.

    I enjoyed seeing them beat Oregon a couple of years ago. They can beat UCLA too and I'll smile. But for the most part I don't care what they do. I do care what UW and BYU do. Every game. I don't disrespect Utah. I just don't care.

    The trolls on these site care very much about BYU. Good for them. It makes it more fun when BYU defies their dire predictions. As for UW, wake me when Utah beats UW again.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    March 20, 2017 4:32 p.m.

    DEW, nailed it. The Playoffs are for a select and privileged few "blue bloods." There are only about 8-10 teams that qualify and NO Utah is not one of them. An undefeated Utah would lose a play off birth to any 2 loss, maybe even a 3 loss, "blue blood." Sorry folks that is the plain and simple truth. Don't believe me, all you have to do is look at last years rankings and who got what. What does that mean for BYU, the exact same thing. They are both sitting in the same boat and it's not going to the playoffs, ever.

  • burningblue Provo, UT
    March 20, 2017 4:29 p.m.

    @DesperadoUte

    I haven't seen a single BYU fan on these boards state that the Cougs will win a national championship. The only mention of NC has been by Ute fans in the form of, "BYU fans think...blah, blah...national championship."

    None of us think BYU is going to the playoff this year. Neither does Kercheaval. That's why he called the Cougs a "darkhorse." A classic overreaction by Ute fans.

    BYU is still at least a season away from making big strides IMO. There will be continued progress this season, but that doesn't mean that the Y will have big wins in the first four games of the season. I expect they'll start 1-3 and hopefully get things rolling after that.

    In any case, it's way too early to tell how good any of these teams will be, but it's never too early to be excited about BYU football.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    March 20, 2017 4:00 p.m.

    I have Utah as a Cinderella in the Pac-12 South.

  • burningblue Provo, UT
    March 20, 2017 3:54 p.m.

    I think it's pretty dang hilarious how upset Ute fans get anytime BYU gets any national attention. For some reason their ego's demand that they scour the DNews, a BYU-biased newspaper (not a secret), I remind you, for any article that says anything good about the Y.

    Your outrage says more about your insecurity than I possibly could.

    Go Cougs!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 20, 2017 2:37 p.m.

    *for

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 20, 2017 2:36 p.m.

    6 straight & counting & 11 of 14....Ownership.

    Ranked in every single CFP Poll since its inception vs never ever ranked in it for even a single week....Lol.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 20, 2017 2:32 p.m.

    "By finishing in the Top 12 five out of six seasons, winning 66 of 75 games (88%), and finishing their undefeated season on a 24-game winning streak, which included beating three AP Top 25 teams, including #24 Air Force in 1984."

    byu impressed voters so much prior to '84 that they started off the year unranked.

    The only reason they were w/in striking distance of The NC late in the year was due exclusively to beating a vastly overrated PITT, thus catapulting them high into the polls, before the voters realized how absolutely pathetic PITT really was & by then it was too late fir them to downgrade their mistake in inappropriately ranking byu so high....This, combined w/playing against the 3rd weakest schedule nationally.

    And AF finished the year unranked, as they only ranked 20 schools back then....byu didn't even beat one single finish ranked opponent that year, period.

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 20, 2017 2:24 p.m.

    1979 11-1 #13/#12
    1980 12-1 #12/#12
    1981 11-2 #13/#11
    1982 8-4
    1983 11-1 #7/#7
    1984 13-0 #1/#1

    As much as Utah fans like to pretend that the Utes are one of the "big boys", the Utes have never even come close to matching BYU's 1979 to 1984 record...

    EVER!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 20, 2017 2:13 p.m.

    NevadaCoug

    "Beating Nebraska in their home opener, something that NOBODY had done in years. "

    Nebraska hadn't lost a home opener since 1985 ( a 29-year winning streak).

    "Beating Oklahoma when they were ranked #3 in the nation."

    Oklahoma finished #26 in the final AP Poll, ONE vote out of the Top 25,

    Versus Nebraska, Oklahoma and Texas combined
    BYU is 7-1
    Utah is 0-6

  • ekute Layton, UT
    March 20, 2017 2:07 p.m.

    But seriously folks!,
    CBS Sports is way off base about both schools...even more so the the "links" articles on this site have always been.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 20, 2017 1:57 p.m.

    tommy red

    "On target for yet another off season National Championship! Embarrassing."

    What's really embarrassing is the typical over-reaction by our jealous friends on the hill.

    Not a single BYU fan has said that BYU is a serious candidate for another National Championship.

    The ONLY thing BYU fans have said is that BYU's schedule is such that an undefeated season would make BYU a serious candidate for a playoff berth.

    Can you seriously argue that a team that beat *#5 LSU and *#11 Wisconsin, along with Utah, Boise State, and Mississippi State, in the first 7 weeks of the season wouldn't be a strong playoff candidate for the remainder of the season as long as they stayed undefeated?

    *SportsIllustrated's Preseason Top 25 Rankings

    Guaranteed, Utah fans will be proclaiming the Utes PAC 12 championship and playoff contenders if the Utes start the season beating BYU, San Jose St, Arizona, Stanford, and USC in the first 7 weeks of the season.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2017 1:56 p.m.

    Navel vet

    Every team in the nation is hoping for an undefeated season. A BYU undefeated season may not result in being invited to the playoff, but it is because the committee doesn't want to cast doubt on the "Power 5" narrative/myth/monopoly, not because BYU wouldn't deserve it.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    March 20, 2017 1:37 p.m.

    tinker bell

    BYU's 1984 National Championship wasn't won by simply going undefeated against a schedule that was similar in strength to Utah's 2004 schedule.

    No, BYU won the National Championship by convincing the majority of voters from all five major selecting organizations (including the AP and Coaches voters), that BYU was more deserving than any other team of being designated the 1984 National Champions.

    How did BYU do that?

    By finishing in the Top 12 five out of six seasons, winning 66 of 75 games (88%), and finishing their undefeated season on a 24-game winning streak, which included beating three AP Top 25 teams, including #24 Air Force in 1984.

    1979 11-1 #13/#12
    1980 12-1 #12/#12
    1981 11-2 #13/#11
    1982 8-4
    1983 11-1 #7/#7
    1984 13-0 #1/#1

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    March 20, 2017 1:18 p.m.

    "Can anyone tell us any time in recent memory that byu-p killed anyone remotely approaching "giant" status?"

    Off the top of my head?

    Beating Nebraska in their home opener, something that NOBODY had done in years. ("Yeah, but Nebraska wasn't that good that year! " Um, did you miss the part about doing something NOBODY had done in years?)

    Beating Oklahoma when they were ranked #3 in the nation. ("Yeah, but they finished the season 8-5!" Yeah, after BYU knocked out their Heisman-winning QB that first game of the season.)

  • Tomahawk Red San Francisco, CA
    March 20, 2017 12:53 p.m.

    Here we go again!

    On target for yet another offseason National Championship!

    Embarrassing.

    "Well-known giant-killer," eh?

    Can anyone tell us any time in recent memory that byu-p killed anyone remotely approaching "giant" status?

    LOL

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    March 20, 2017 12:46 p.m.

    @ love the kittens "If byu goes undefeated (for the 3rd time in history) ..."

    BYU-P has gone undefeated only once, 1984, with that stellar schedule of opponents that went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools. Cinderella is a good term to describe that team.

  • CougFaninTX Spring, TX
    March 20, 2017 12:31 p.m.

    Dark horse - a person or thing that emerges to prominence, especially in a competition of some sort, or a contestant that seems unlikely to succeed. How do U turn this into a discussion about BYU winning a national championship?

    Do I want a dark horse to break into the playoffs? Absolutely. Whether it's BYU or someone else, it will take a dark horse breaking into the playoffs, before the "elite" make another change. Did U forget when Utah and TCU were the dark horse? U started the change from the BCS to the playoff. Now that U've become one of the elites, U want to stop other Cinderella stories from happening, even though you were a dark horse less than a decade ago.

    Let's open the playoffs to 8 or 16 teams, and give some dark horse candidates the chance to be a Cinderella.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2017 12:31 p.m.

    Kercheval "the Cougars are talented enough to win many of those games."
    The Cougars won't get there by winning "many" of those games -- they'd have to win ALL of the games.

    A 3 year history shows how the Committee ranks P5 conference members vs others.
    #1 13-0 Alabama
    #2 12-1 Clemson
    #3 11-1 Ohio State
    #4 12-1 Washington
    #15 13-0 Western Michigan
    #18 12-1 Houston (2015)
    #20 11-2 Boise State (2014)

    BYU is a bigger name than Western Michigan, but they're not Alabama. I see a 13-0 BYU team cracking the top 10, but not one of the top 4 slots.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2017 12:26 p.m.

    This just in;
    Bad news for Utah fans. CBS Sports pick Utah to finish 6th in the conference at 5-7. No bowling, no national championship this year.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    March 20, 2017 12:22 p.m.

    Since this is not even preseason talk, but purely conjecture and wishful thinking on the part of fans, this is what I hope for. I hope BYU goes undefeated and finally gets some respect. I also hope Utah has finally found a great Offensive coach (I really think they have!) and they also go undefeated. U hope (perhaps a bit too wishfully) that USU gets back on track and also goes undefeated. Lastly, I hope Weber State continues to grow and goes undefeated.

    Obviously my wishful thinking is unlikely to happen, but that doesn't stop me from wishing it would. The only way to make it happen is to play the games. Win or lose, I like to follow these teams any way. Just one more thing: I really hope the injury bug doesn't hit any of these teams.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    March 20, 2017 12:16 p.m.

    byu-p making the playoffs is simply conjecture and hyperbole.

    So lets revert to the facts,

    Six in a row

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    March 20, 2017 12:14 p.m.

    I predict that BYU will possibly win all their football games, or they might lose some of them. And as a result they might get into the playoff, or they might not, in which case they will go to a bowl game if they win at least 6 games and then also get invited to a bowl game. They will then win their post-season game(s) if they get invited, or they might lose, but they will win if they play better than their opponent(s) and outscore them. Go Cougars!

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    March 20, 2017 12:10 p.m.

    I know it is a little hard for ute trolls to focus but the DN article was merely reporting on what CBS sports was stating. Sure, that reporter was looking for something to write about but I don't think he is a BYU plant or fan. And, as has been pointed out, to claim superiority for playing a major conference schedule ignores the fact that in most of those conferences the bottom 1/2 are generally poor teams. Sometimes consistently poor.
    It looks to be a good season with plenty of opportunities for being a great season. What true fan is not optimistic about the potential for their team? Why does this seem to grate so much on the ute trolls?

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    March 20, 2017 11:24 a.m.

    I remember similar articles last year on how Taysom Hill was going to win the Heisman.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    March 20, 2017 11:09 a.m.

    You've really out done yourself, DNews. Bravo.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    March 20, 2017 10:50 a.m.

    strom thurmond

    LOL at your jealous angst - BYU fans had absolutely nothing to do with creating the article.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    March 20, 2017 10:36 a.m.

    DesperadoUte

    Doesn't matter how many P5 teams you play, if U suffer a meltdown every November and have zero chance of winning your division.

    Unfortunately for U, you won't even make it through mid-October this year before being eliminated from the division race.

  • p e RICHFIELD, UT
    March 20, 2017 10:20 a.m.

    @Naval Vet

    I'm not making any wild predictions about BYU's playoff chances. As a BYU fan, I also think, that they are somewhere between slim and none (Show me, Cougars!).
    Having said that, your hypothetical and hyperbole is equal to ours. A. You have the same chance of going undefeated that we do. B. Playing 9 Power 5 teams, especially in your conference, means playing only 4 or 5 good teams, and you get half of those at home. We'll see about SOS when the time comes but what's the real difference between us and you?

  • strom thurmond taylorsville, UT
    March 20, 2017 10:17 a.m.

    Its not even April yet.

    I'm not surprised, but usually we get stories about locked in Heisman trophy winners first.

    With expectations like these no wonder there is so much arrogance and bitterness for the team down south.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    March 20, 2017 10:15 a.m.

    It is a little early in doing this talk. Try some 15 years later then you decide if BYU & Utah ever get a chance. See below and don't be disapointed.
    1. 4 team playoff is only for fewer P5 bigger boys.
    2. 6 team playoff, same above.
    3. 8 team playoff, everyone in P5 will get the invite (maybe)
    4. 16 team playoff, see above #3 for sure and just maybe BYU & G5 (only one of them)
    5. Four mega conference will form and back to square one above. In 6 years later.
    6. Correction, #5 if that happen the scrub out #3 & #4 which will never happen but maybe #2 won't happen either.

  • 1984 for life Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2017 10:15 a.m.

    Here we go.

    Special seasons and play off births.

  • owesley Mapleton, UT
    March 20, 2017 10:11 a.m.

    I'm continually amused by the u fans claiming football knowledge, when in reality, all they can bring is rancor, hyperbole and hope that someone outside of a u alum actually care what they think.

    So, here is a replacement of the hyperbole from the u fans with fact from a Cougar fan:

    BYU is one of two teams not considered mid-major by the top two Football conferences in the Country. Nope, that is not the PAC 10+2 in case you were wondering.

    BYU is the only team since 1984, outside of what the naysayers like to label "mid-major", that has won a National Championship.

    There is no u fan who is as smart a sports expert as is Kercheval. And Kercheval states un-emotionally that BYU Cougars have a strong enough schedule to make the playoffs.

    BYU's football schedule in 2017 is not as weak as 2016; And no professional sportscaster has yet claimed 2016 was weak .

    The bottom 6 teams in every so-called "Major" conference would not compete against the top 3 of the MAC, MWC, Conference USA or the National Champion of D-2 over the past ten years. (By virtue of head to head games)

    "Major" is not a label earned. "Major" is a gift of association.

    Hope that helps the u fan.

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    March 20, 2017 9:45 a.m.

    Gotta luv the angst every such article spawns amongst our jealous little brothers.

    Bottom line:

    BYU will once again have a strong enough schedule in 2017 to be a playoff contender, IF they win.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2017 9:41 a.m.

    Gotta love how the people who know least about college football,(Utah fans) know so much more than people who follow it for a living. Gotta love the haters on the hill.

    Secondly, utah will not go undefeated. in fact, if they go .500 they will be very lucky, even in a watered down so-called power conference.

  • niners Waynesville, MO
    March 20, 2017 9:23 a.m.

    The national championship talk used to start around July-August on the Dnews. The last 10 years it has gotten earlier and earlier. March? Why does the Dnews do this to the BYU fan base? I'm starting to think it's a U fan running the Dnews, purposely torturing Y fans year after year.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 20, 2017 9:22 a.m.

    So, any season in which a team goes undefeated and in the process defeats 2 teams in the preseason top 15 and 5 teams in the pre-season top 30, they would be heavily considered for the championship playoffs.

    Now sim sanity. This is a 3 loss season, 2 at best. No playoff, but continued improvement.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    March 20, 2017 9:18 a.m.

    Vanceone:

    I can deny it! The cougars SOS will be too weak to fit into the Top-4. Last year's SOS wound up ranked 75th. This year's SOS will be expected to be even WEAKER!

    If the Provo cats go undefeated, they will NOT be in the playoff. On the other hand, if the Utes go undefeated, we WILL be in the playoff. That's how that works when one team always plays super weak midmajorey SOS, whilst the other always plays no less than 9 Power 5 teams per year.

  • LoveTheKittens Central, UT
    March 20, 2017 9:13 a.m.

    re: Vanceone

    1. I am a Ute fan
    2. I am not bitter
    3. If byu goes undefeated they will probably not make the play off

    Why you ask? If byu goes undefeated (for the 3rd time in history) their opponents will have a combined w/l that will preclude byu of consideration. I will spell it out for you. The teams that byu plays will have terrible seasons, think MSU last year. There will be no credibility to your season therefore, no playoff.

  • Dan Smith Phoenix, AZ
    March 20, 2017 8:40 a.m.

    No! Please No! I thought the "National Title" talk left when Bronco left. Please stop this nonsense. Utah has a better shot at the National Playoffs than BYU and Utah has a 0.000000000000000001 percent chance. Come on!!! Enough already!!!

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    March 20, 2017 8:35 a.m.

    Sure, if BYU runs the table they'll be in the playoff. That's a mighty big "if" though. And I'm a BYU guy.

    But no one can deny that if BYU does go undefeated, they'll be in the playoff. Not even bitter ute fans.